Fit Issues

[Orb]

  In the acceptance section I'm drawn to the fit issues.  Listening to others, reading and hearing how they find clothing that fits and adapts to our ever changing male bodies. Fit, how do I navigate fitting into society that sees the male body only one way?  Pecks, no bust!   

  I took a few minuets to reread Mychal Bloodwing's post  Feminizing my Wardrobe. 
I couldn't find anything that called him out and was in any way vindictive.  There are a lot of words that try to describe, us.  Our bodies and our mindset.  Attitudes.  Our non male attributes.  Wearing fashionable clothing in various colors isn't out of the norm.  What I feel and see in some is the word Feminizing.  Implies switching teams.  Forced on by another perhaps.  However, form that thread I don't feel that was the case.  Some were trying to draw a line. Set a boundary as to what is needed and acceptable here.  Where we are and want to go.  I hope Mychal doesn't leave.  Teach us. Learn from us.  Let us learn from you!

I for one am glad to be back. Learning form others and hopping I can be a teacher, a pupal, and an agent of change for others.

Cheers!
 
  

[Johndoe1]

There are various forms and levels of acceptance. No one is at the same place in their journey. Some never accept and some totally accept going through transitioning. I think most are somewhere between 25% and 75%. No level of acceptance is right or wrong. It's the individuals comfort level.

I can understand how all this can be overwhelming. It's against everything thing many of us have been raised by. And that is OK too. After rereading his post, he was trying to figure out how to live in a world that doesn't understand or approve of one physical trait that he is not supposed to have. One we all are not supposed to have. But Mother Nature doesn't work that way. Nature is never completely black and white but a multitude of gray. This is a question I continually ask myself.

In my own journey I have gone from total and complete denial of my assets to one where I accept what I have been naturally given and through much trial and error (tremendous amount of error) that my body shape is more comfortable in clothes socially classified as non male. That doesn't mean I don't want to be male. Quite the contrary. I am at a point in my life where comfort outweighs feelings and thoughts and fears. That's not to say I have no fear because I do. I would rather be comfortable than fearful. And it has taken me decades to get to this point. I just got sick and tired of being sick and tired. I may wear clothes designated as female but in the male style, even if my chest precedes me into a room.

We are here to support each other as we navigate this world of breasts and such, 
the last thing we need to do is act like those who don't know or understand. We have an upper hand to that.

[blad]

For a long time I have been satisfied to wear a bra and be comfortable. Much of the time I forget I even have a bra on, probably much like women who are not likely going around thinking "I have a bra on" all day long.

It is only the attitude of others that hinders.

[Busted (and happy)]

blad and others 
Truth is most of the others are too self engrossed to even notice.
Most of those who  DO notice are too self engrossed to mention anything.

Once we get our heads round that it leaves us happily free to wear what we need or want.  It is only exactly what they are are doing.

We need to get over them (and ourselves) = Bliss

[Orb]

Agreed.  I'm harder on myself than others have been.

[curiousk]

There are various forms and levels of acceptance. No one is at the same place in their journey. Some never accept and some totally accept going through transitioning. I think most are somewhere between 25% and 75%. No level of acceptance is right or wrong. It's the individuals comfort level.

I can understand how all this can be overwhelming. It's against everything thing many of us have been raised by. And that is OK too. After rereading his post, he was trying to figure out how to live in a world that doesn't understand or approve of one physical trait that he is not supposed to have. One we all are not supposed to have. But Mother Nature doesn't work that way. Nature is never completely black and white but a multitude of gray. This is a question I continually ask myself.

In my own journey I have gone from total and complete denial of my assets to one where I accept what I have been naturally given and through much trial and error (tremendous amount of error) that my body shape is more comfortable in clothes socially classified as non male. That doesn't mean I don't want to be male. Quite the contrary. I am at a point in my life where comfort outweighs feelings and thoughts and fears. That's not to say I have no fear because I do. I would rather be comfortable than fearful. And it has taken me decades to get to this point. I just got sick and tired of being sick and tired. I may wear clothes designated as female but in the male style, even if my chest precedes me into a room.

We are here to support each other as we navigate this world of breasts and such,
the last thing we need to do is act like those who don't know or understand. We have an upper hand to that.

You are so right.  The journey that we go on is unique to us with similarities to others.  I’ve had breasts since I was 11 and has some confusion for a bit of time.  In my late teens and early 20’s, I began to discover that having boobs is not the worst thing and I like having them.  I found them to be a major turn on when involved sexually with girlfriends.  While the thought of bra wearing  crossed my mind a few times, I never persuaded it for fear of what others thought.
About 2 years ago, after discussion with my wife and 2 sons, I decided to wear bras full time.  I’m happy  I did it and should have a long time ago.  I appreciate the support that a bra provides.
This has also brought other feelings out with me liking women’s clothing and how I feel while I wear them.  I  enjoy wearing them and open to all articles of women’s clothing.  My acceptance is multilevel and complicated.

[JohannK]

The matter of male clothing being made to fit stereotypical male proportions can certainly be a bit of a pain.  I have a situation where (and keep in mind I'm officially 182cm, which is 5'11.5 for the metrically impaired) buying jeans means settling for 30" (and it MUST be straight and stretch).  Actually 28"(!) fits better around the waist, but then it gets too small everywhere else (length included).  And 30" isn't great either, but at least it doesn't look like "skinny" when it's actually straight...

And also, if I stand in such a way that both sides are the same (different leg lengths), then my hips are very close to the width of my shoulders.  So that also has an impact on what I can get into.

[SideSet]

Sounds like you need to wear women’s jeans 

[JohannK]

Probably, yes.

[SideSet]

They are so soft and smooth and figure hugging. I love them. 

[Guywithgirls]

I'm actually thinking about trying out some women's jeans tomorrow. The thought had crossed my mind before because mens jeans are always way too baggy on me. After reading through this post, I'm convinced to at least give it a shot

[Rich meier]

I wore womens jeans and shorts for a long time. the only thing you have to watch for is that I found some of them tight in the crotch. had to wear them pulled down a little and the pockets arent as deep

[Guywithgirls]

I wore womens jeans and shorts for a long time. the only thing you have to watch for is that I found some of them tight in the crotch. had to wear them pulled down a little and the pockets arent as deep

Good to know, I'll be sure to check for this when I'm trying them on tomorrow. Out of curiosity, I wonder how many guys here wear women's jeans because they fit better?

[Moobzie]

I once worked for a major clothing company, and learned that there is a size chart for pants based on waist and hip measurements (e.g., size 10 is a 30-32 waist with 41-42 hips).  This is because 'most' women's waist measurements are smaller than their hips.

Men's pants are simply waist and inseam measurements - because with most guys, hips are not significantly larger than waist.

If you find men's pants don't seem to fit properly, try asking the sales associates in the ladies' section what size your waist-hip measurements are in women's pants.  (After major surgery I lost a lot of weight and my waist went to 30, while my hips are 41.  Women's size 10 fits me better - while men's pants are either too big in the waist or too small in the hips for me.)

[Busted (and happy)]

Women's jeans. Great fit and stretch. I find straight leg give me the best comfort. Skinny fits are definitely a bridge too far at least they are for me
Just a shame they only have tiny pockets.
Wish I had discovered them decades ago.
Also womens trousers in general are great though you may have to hunt around a bit more to get the style/material and leg length to make sure they don't scream "feminine". Definitely worth the time and effort
Jeans are absolutely no problem.