Female bodybuilders lose breast tissue - why not us?

[iwannabefree]

Most female bodybuilders lose so much of their femininity through bodybuilding -- and excess testostrone. Is it possible that bodybuilding helps us MEN who have "feminized" a bit "re-masculinize" ??

Give it a think, boys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIC2vp_8JA

[JamesDawson]

I couldn't watch more than a minute of that video, female bodybuilders make me queazy. Its probably to do with lowering their estrogen levels and having high testosterone but you can still see they have big breasts because they have so much chest muscle.

[iwannabefree]

James, they dont have big breasts -- those are implants. These ladies get implants to "stay feminine".

Female body builders become more masculine --- grow facial hair, deep voice, clitorial enlargement, and lose breast tissue because their fat index drops below 12% and they are injecting testostrone into their bodies.

All I'm saying is...it might be worth it for us men to try the same thing before getting surgery (get an expert's advice, I'm just a fool on a keyboard).

Think about it, if you can lose most of your breast, fat, etc...wouldn't it make the surgeon's job easier when we eventually decide to get surgery?

[Rocky76]

James, they dont have big breasts -- those are implants. These ladies get implants to "stay feminine".

Female body builders become more masculine --- grow facial hair, deep voice, clitorial enlargement, and lose breast tissue because their fat index drops below 12% and they are injecting testostrone into their bodies.

All I'm saying is...it might be worth it for us men to try the same thing before getting surgery (get an expert's advice, I'm just a fool on a keyboard).

Think about it, if you can lose most of your breast, fat, etc...wouldn't it make the surgeon's job easier when we eventually decide to get surgery?

They don't lose the actual glandular tissue. They lose much of the supporting fat which makes up the majority if the breast. Notice the womans breast are soft and not hard like glandular breast tissue is. That is because most of what you see is the fat. That is why woman who lose a lot of weight will usually lose a good amount of her breast size. Actual hard breast tissue inst going to magically go away.

For many already lean or in shape men. Losing weight will only make it stick out more. But I agree generally losing weight up until a certain point wouldn't hurt and may help. But for pure Gyne tissue issues like myself if wouldn't matter much

[Dr. Elliot Jacobs]

You guys are absolutely correct.  Female body builders do use anabolic steroids and very special diets.  They lose their femininity very quickly.  The body fat is minimal and the fat component of their breasts practically vanishes.

I have done breast implants on female body builders -- it is the only way they can have breasts while still continuing their program.

Dr Jacobs

[improving]

When they step on stage they are an abnormally low bodyfat %, so low thats impossible to maintain for very long. I dont know the exact figures, but male bodybuilders compete probably around the 4% bodyfat mark, since women generally hold more bodyfat i'd hazard a guess they would be a bit higher, 6 maybe?

Women who do steroids, also take fat burning chemicals to get them shredded. Side effects arn't worth it for me personally. But those chemicals wouldn't be able to get rid of gland tissue etc, just the fatty tissue.

Im trying to get to a healthy 10% bodyfat before surgery. At 10%~ your abdominals show without flexing, so i think thats a good point to get to before having surgery.

[toolhead]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

[Rocky76]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

Well I dont see how thats going to work.... many top steroid using body builders end up getting Gyne because of the steroids use and not the other way around

[jojo82]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

It doesn't have this effect on males because if you artificially raise your testosterone levels with anabolic steroids, your body will eventually produce estrogen to balance it out. You will probably lose the supporting body fat around your gyne, but it's very possible that your body will begin producing more glandular tissue because of the estrogen. If you suffer from gyne, it's necessary to stay away from ANYTHING that alters your testosterone/estrogen balance unless you have a legitimate testosterone deficiency. This includes steroids, alcohol, certain drugs like finasteride, and even THC.

[toolhead]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

Well I dont see how thats going to work.... many top steroid using body builders end up getting Gyne because of the steroids use and not the other way around

See, that's what the bodybuilders at the steroid forum told me. Yet, they will not deny that virtually every upper-level bodybuilder is on steroids and sure enough, those upper-level bodybuilders go out of their way to make sure they do not develop gyne. For if they did develop gyne, they would NOT win any competitions or even be able to compete at such a high level. It's the inexperienced, amateur ones who run a cycle without a proper AI (aromatase inhibitor) to block the conversion of testosterone to estrogen that are most likely to develop gynecomastia.

While I will admit that I do not have any experience in this field, I will say the logic simply does not add up: Some will tell you that the deciding factor on whether or not you develop gyne on steroids is based on genetics, ie: some people are just more prone than others. To a degree, they're definitely correct. Hell, it seems most of us on this board developed gyne without even touching steroids. However, if that were entirely true, then why would so many bodybuilders on cycle go out of their way to take an AI?

The AI is there to ensure that the newly injected exogenous testosterone is not converted into estrogen, which results in gynecomastia. It is an insurance policy against gyne while they are on a cycle.

[toolhead]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

It doesn't have this effect on males because if you artificially raise your testosterone levels with anabolic steroids, your body will eventually produce estrogen to balance it out. You will probably lose the supporting body fat around your gyne, but it's very possible that your body will begin producing more glandular tissue because of the estrogen. If you suffer from gyne, it's necessary to stay away from ANYTHING that alters your testosterone/estrogen balance unless you have a legitimate testosterone deficiency. This includes steroids, alcohol, certain drugs like finasteride, and even THC.

With the modern world increasingly using more substances such as dioxins and getting more by-products like xenoestrogens; it is nearly impossible to stay away from anything that will affect your testosterone-estrogen balance. Not to mention, there are hormones in commercial meat and dairy products, parabens in everyday products, and a list of others. You cannot avoid them all and the challenge is not paranoia, it is reality. For several years, I need only look at my chest to see it.

With that being said, why shouldn't we look for a way to tip the scale in testosterone's favor? Anabolic steroids may not be the solution, I am okay with accepting that but if you read my previous post to Rocky76, you'd see that you can take anabolic steroids and limit any conversion to estrogen by using an AI. It is even possible to take a low-dose AI alone and increase the ratio in testosterone's favor.

[Rocky76]

This has nothing to do with bodyfat; decreasing bodyfat doesn't cause enlargement to a woman's clitoris. Certainly, for some women their breast size will be reduced when they lose fat but their glands are always present. This is very interesting.

When I hopped on a forum for anabolic steroids and asked for opinions on my prior condition, I was told that taking them would only make it worse. Yet, look at these females, they've completely lost their breast glands. I don't see why testosterone wouldn't have the same effect on males. Unfortunately, doctors do not like the supraphysiological testosterone levels that bodybuilders inject themselves with just to be able to compete. So, it's virtually impossible finding an endocrinologist who would prescribe anything for such an objective.

It doesn't have this effect on males because if you artificially raise your testosterone levels with anabolic steroids, your body will eventually produce estrogen to balance it out. You will probably lose the supporting body fat around your gyne, but it's very possible that your body will begin producing more glandular tissue because of the estrogen. If you suffer from gyne, it's necessary to stay away from ANYTHING that alters your testosterone/estrogen balance unless you have a legitimate testosterone deficiency. This includes steroids, alcohol, certain drugs like finasteride, and even THC.

With the modern world increasingly using more substances such as dioxins and getting more by-products like xenoestrogens; it is nearly impossible to stay away from anything that will affect your testosterone-estrogen balance. Not to mention, there are hormones in commercial meat and dairy products, parabens in everyday products, and a list of others. You cannot avoid them all and the challenge is not paranoia, it is reality. For several years, I need only look at my chest to see it.

With that being said, why shouldn't we look for a way to tip the scale in testosterone's favor? Anabolic steroids may not be the solution, I am okay with accepting that but if you read my previous post to Rocky76, you'd see that you can take anabolic steroids and limit any conversion to estrogen by using an AI. It is even possible to take a low-dose AI alone and increase the ratio in testosterone's favor.

Tool head my point is taking steriods or AI will do nothing to get rid of current Gyne. It does not magically go after breast tissue and melt it away. See OP original question. Of course keeping hormon levels in the proper range while taking steriods will help in not getting it in the first place but not getting rid of real Gyne tissue already there.

[toolhead]

They don't lose the actual glandular tissue. They lose much of the supporting fat which makes up the majority if the breast. Notice the womans breast are soft and not hard like glandular breast tissue is. That is because most of what you see is the fat. That is why woman who lose a lot of weight will usually lose a good amount of her breast size. Actual hard breast tissue inst going to magically go away.

For many already lean or in shape men. Losing weight will only make it stick out more. But I agree generally losing weight up until a certain point wouldn't hurt and may help. But for pure Gyne tissue issues like myself if wouldn't matter much

Rocky, how can you be so sure that female bodybuilders do not lose their breast glands?

I cannot find any data on this, not even anecdotal data. If you can, please link me to it. The steroids impacted their bodies so much that its changed their facial structure, voice tone, and even genitalia. So I don't see why you find it impossible that it has impacted their breast glands. The YouTube video that the OP posted even talks about how these women lost their "breast tissue." I suppose breast tissue can be exclusively fat; but the distinction between fat and gland was never made, so we cannot know for sure.

Sure, your typical female dieting down only loses some fat around her breasts. A female bodybuilder on the other hand, with chemical enhancement, is an entire different breed. As a matter of fact, many women are commonly afraid of working out with heavy weights and dieting down in fear of losing their femininity and looking like a female bodybuilder: As a result, many fitness magazines and websites assure them that it's impossible for them to look like female bodybuilders without chemical enhancement.

[iwannabefree]

Toolhead,

I am a 200lb guy, with about 25% bodyfat. I don't look fat, with clothes on, but when i take my clothes off -- you'll see that the majority of my fats in my hips and breasts and I have gynecomastia. 

I have never been to an endo or surgeon, but I think it's safe to say that my estrogen to testostrone scales were unfortunately tipped to the wrong side in my teen years (probably because of all the reasons you guys mentioned dairy, meats, everything). I dont wanna be a coward by getting surgery right away - i wanna take control of my destiny and do EVERYTHING my power to reverse this and THEN consider surgery. That female bodybuilder video gave me confidence - so I wanted to share it with you guys.

As for losing breast tissue, i dont know if bodybuilding girls lose breast tissue -- but boobs are like 90% fat anyways, aren't they?`I'm sure if i can lose 90% of my boobs and be left with just puffy nips -- i'm ok with that. Not like I wanna be an underwear model or whatever.

[Rocky76]

Get yourself to a healthy fit 10% ish bodyfat level and see where your at. What ever you have left in your breast after that will most likely be mostly actual breast tissue.

Real adult gynecomastia will never go away by itself, working out, diet or taking steroids etc will do little if nothing to rid of breast tissue's that have grown. I am a muscular lean guy, have been all my life. I worked out all my life and the breast tissue growth I got as an adult was pure gynecomastia. There is no way to get rid of that using steroids or dieting.

If your fat you can lose some if not all the breast size you have but that is not true gynecomastia. Get lean and in shape and see what your left with. To do it any other way is crazy. There are just to many risks with surgery. I had no other way to get rid of my gynecomastia. Despite using a well known expert doctor who did a less then steller job and I am experiencing some after effects to the point that I wish I didn't do it. At least not with this doctor. I would only use surgery after every available option has been exhausted completely.