Need advice: right pectoral pushes nipple downwards when flexing.

[gyno1990]

Guy asks about one of his nipples behaving a little differently than the other and you jump straight to him having a problem with his self esteem.  He never said anything about being crippled emotionally and I doubt you know him well enough to know whether he is.

Self improvement is a good thing.  Some women want fake breasts because firm, full breasts on a woman are awesome.  Men want rid of gynecomastia because it isn't awesome.  Neither are the most important thing in the world nor do they define the individual.  But trying to be the best you can be - for yourself, for your spouse - is a good thing.  Not doing anything to improve yourself and going to a psychiatrist to make yourself feel good about being less than your best is kinda weak.  

Of course there are risks and of course self-determination and individual accountability apply: they always do and shouldn't need to be repeated over, and over, and over again.

Self improvement can take many forms, and there is rarely an instance when most people would not benefit from eating healthier, exercising and improving their knowledge.

Then again is attempting to surgically improve your appearance going to make someone a better person? Will such a procedure improve their station in life? Or will the procedure leave them permanently disfigured or worse?

Low Self Esteem is classified as a Mental Health Issue. Look it up.

The guy never asked to be lectured about low self esteem etc.As far as gyno goes  it is far more than just a cosmetic procedure that you are trying to make it out to be the difference my friend between getting a boob job and gyno surgery is that one gives u a set of features u wish u had whilst the other removes an already present deformity. Gynecomastia can limit a man in many different ways, daily activities like running and working out become a challenge.

Gyno only limits you as much as you allow it to! I've serve my country 11 years, had 5 children, owned my own business, now have 4 grand kids and my boobs have grown to 46H, and I have lived a very successful life! So if you are held back because you have tiny little boob growth, it because you don't have the balls to move forward! So don't give me the shit that boobs hold you back and have ruined and messed up your life, you are in control, or should be in control of that, not some extra skin, fat, or extra breast tissue! Man up for heaven sake, be a man and stop whining!

A) what is true for you is not true for others. It worked out for you from your perspective. Does not mean it will work out for everbody. 

B) maybe you can be successful but not fulfil your potential. 

[gyno1990]

This thread got weird: people are being told not to improve themselves physically and that the desire to improve is a mental problem.  Some seem to be trying to make others feel bad about wanting to improve themselves.  Guys with boobs are being told that the problem is that they look in the mirror too much.  
The guys in this thread might be of perfect mental health but want to better themselves.  You shouldn't sit here and play psychiatry expert with people you don't know well enough to possibly have an understanding of their overall mental well being.  
If you like gynecomastia and you have it, that's great.  If you have it and you don't like it (which I believe would be the case 95% of the time for anyone who hasn't completely given up on their physical appearance - let's not act like it's weird to have it and want to be rid of it) and something can be done, good on your doing something about it and getting closer to the best you can be.  That desire to be rid of gynecomastia, looked at by itself, is no indication of a mental issue (and depending on how you look at it, not trying to better yourself might be the mental issue).

People (generally) have the right to do as they please as long as it will not effect or impact another.

Lack of self esteem is a mental health issue.

The issue is will a purely cosmetic surgical procedure (not reconstructive) make someone a better person? Will such a procedure solve their underlying self esteem issue(s)?

If we look at breast augmentation (again not related to reconstruction) which by most accounts is one of the most performed cosmetic surgical procedures why do so many women desire bigger breasts?

Money, Fame, the ability to attract a better mate? Improve their self esteem?

They why do so many of the same women have to procedure reversed or modified? Did they regain their low self esteem or did they discover after undergoing an unnecessary surgical procedure that their lives did not improve?

All valid questions? Just keep in mind that every medical procedure carries risks for a failed procedure from disfigurement, unintended/unforeseen consequences and even death.

The question is: Is it worth the risk? Everyone makes their own decision.

Whether the procedure solves their problem is entirely circumstantial. I will say that it's easier to conquer a 50 meter mountain than it is a 100 meter mountain. Not having breasts makes it easier at the very least. 

Can you give us scientific sources on the reasons for why women undergo breast augmentation, how they feel about their results afterwards, and how many undergo reversal? And most importantly of all, for what reason?

[hammer]

Guy asks about one of his nipples behaving a little differently than the other and you jump straight to him having a problem with his self esteem.  He never said anything about being crippled emotionally and I doubt you know him well enough to know whether he is.

Self improvement is a good thing.  Some women want fake breasts because firm, full breasts on a woman are awesome.  Men want rid of gynecomastia because it isn't awesome.  Neither are the most important thing in the world nor do they define the individual.  But trying to be the best you can be - for yourself, for your spouse - is a good thing.  Not doing anything to improve yourself and going to a psychiatrist to make yourself feel good about being less than your best is kinda weak.  

Of course there are risks and of course self-determination and individual accountability apply: they always do and shouldn't need to be repeated over, and over, and over again.

Self improvement can take many forms, and there is rarely an instance when most people would not benefit from eating healthier, exercising and improving their knowledge.

Then again is attempting to surgically improve your appearance going to make someone a better person? Will such a procedure improve their station in life? Or will the procedure leave them permanently disfigured or worse?

Low Self Esteem is classified as a Mental Health Issue. Look it up.

The guy never asked to be lectured about low self esteem etc.As far as gyno goes  it is far more than just a cosmetic procedure that you are trying to make it out to be the difference my friend between getting a boob job and gyno surgery is that one gives u a set of features u wish u had whilst the other removes an already present deformity. Gynecomastia can limit a man in many different ways, daily activities like running and working out become a challenge.

Gyno only limits you as much as you allow it to! I've serve my country 11 years, had 5 children, owned my own business, now have 4 grand kids and my boobs have grown to 46H, and I have lived a very successful life! So if you are held back because you have tiny little boob growth, it because you don't have the balls to move forward! So don't give me the shit that boobs hold you back and have ruined and messed up your life, you are in control, or should be in control of that, not some extra skin, fat, or extra breast tissue! Man up for heaven sake, be a man and stop whining!

A) what is true for you is not true for others. It worked out for you from your perspective. Does not mean it will work out for everbody.

B) maybe you can be successful but not fulfil your potential.

You are right as far as I didn't meet my full potential! Disability took me out of the game at the age of 40, but my wife and I still payed off 2 homes early, are financially secure enough to enjoy life without worry, I have my man toys for hunting with disabilities  (ATV) toy hauler camper, and my gun collection as well, and every tool that I need in my work shop! A fantastic wife! And most important, my faith in my Lord, so what else would a man need?

[TigerPaws]

Whether the procedure solves their problem is entirely circumstantial. I will say that it's easier to conquer a 50 meter mountain than it is a 100 meter mountain. Not having breasts makes it easier at the very least.

Can you give us scientific sources on the reasons for why women undergo breast augmentation, how they feel about their results afterwards, and how many undergo reversal? And most importantly of all, for what reason?
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You you looking at the greatest resource ever developed by man. The Internet. Do no be so lazy, you can with little effort look up the information yourself.

I am too old to spoon feed anyone.

[gyno1990]

Whether the procedure solves their problem is entirely circumstantial. I will say that it's easier to conquer a 50 meter mountain than it is a 100 meter mountain. Not having breasts makes it easier at the very least.

Can you give us scientific sources on the reasons for why women undergo breast augmentation, how they feel about their results afterwards, and how many undergo reversal? And most importantly of all, for what reason?

You you looking at the greatest resource ever developed by man. The Internet. Do no be so lazy, you can with little effort look up the information yourself.

I am too old to spoon feed anyone.
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Don't be silly. You're making claims and should back them up. 

[TigerPaws]

I see you are to lazy or inept to do 5 minutes of research and 30 minutes of reading.
Get off Facebook, stop Twitter and get a life away from social media.

What is it with the younger generation and the Narcissistic Me, Me, Me look at Me mentality.

Honestly if you (or I) died tomorrow no one except your family would care, get a clue the world at large in not interested in you.

[gyno1990]

I see you are to lazy or inept to do 5 minutes of research and 30 minutes of reading.
Get off Facebook, stop Twitter and get a life away from social media.

What is it with the younger generation and the Narcissistic Me, Me, Me look at Me mentality.

Honestly if you (or I) died tomorrow no one except your family would care, get a clue the world at large in not interested in you.

You're likely over 40 dishing out crappy advice to guys with gynecomastia on an internet forum.. and you're telling me to get off Facebook. LOL.

The way arguments work is the person making the claim provides evidence. Basic logic. Exercise your brain.

[TigerPaws]

Yes I am over 60 and I served my country for 30 years in 7 different conflicts, I have been wounded in battle on 3 separate occasions. While doing that I acquired 4 Bachelor Degrees, 3 Masters and 2 PhD's. Then I built a multi-million dollar per month business spanning 4 continents.

I developed and enlarged Prostate in my mid 50's along with a tumor largely because of exposure to Agent Orange and the Chemicals used in the first Gulf War. I grew 36DD breasts because of (then) experimental HRT which successfully shrunk my prostate and the tumor is gone.

I learned to live with breasts and I prospered, financially, personally, professionally and with the Ladies. Not because of my breasts but by who I am.

I know children like you, I have dealt with them, spoiled, no discipline, self absorbed narcissists. That is until the 80 mm and 120 mm mortar rounds start raining down and they hear the wiz of a bullet come close enough to burn.

Children like you want the world handed to them on a Silver platter.

The information I provided is correct, as I said if you are too self absorbed and lazy to look it up then you have proved my point.

[gyno1990]

Yes I am over 60 and I served my country for 30 years in 7 different conflicts, I have been wounded in battle on 3 separate occasions. While doing that I acquired 4 Bachelor Degrees, 3 Masters and 2 PhD's. Then I built a multi-million dollar per month business spanning 4 continents.

I developed and enlarged Prostate in my mid 50's along with a tumor largely because of exposure to Agent Orange and the Chemicals used in the first Gulf War. I grew 36DD breasts because of (then) experimental HRT which successfully shrunk my prostate and the tumor is gone.

I learned to live with breasts and I prospered, financially, personally, professionally and with the Ladies. Not because of my breasts but by who I am.

I know children like you, I have dealt with them, spoiled, no discipline, self absorbed narcissists. That is until the 80 mm and 120 mm mortar rounds start raining down and they hear the wiz of a bullet come close enough to burn.

Children like you want the world handed to them on a Silver platter.

The information I provided is correct, as I said if you are too self absorbed and lazy to look it up then you have proved my point.

Still not providing any proof. Just asking people to take your word for it. Brilliant. With that sort of reasoning I don't believe you hold two PhDs, let alone one. Also lol @ the multi million dollar business part. 

Anyways, you developed gyno in your 50s. You enjoyed your youth boob-free and you're acting like it was a life long issue you overcame. 

[rrr]

Yes, moobs can cause self esteem and so can certain surgical outcomes.
Why is that so ridiculous?

If a guy has moobs (not boobs), it is because they did something to become fat, and moobs are just part of being fat. If a guy is that worried about his appearance, why pack on a few hundred pounds in the first place?

You haven't even seen the defect in question on the posters in this thread nor are you aware of exactly how much it is bothering us. Asking about something doesn't mean you're worried about being GQ model perfect. Being curious and wondering is fine. I'd like this defect to be corrected but I'm not overly preoccupied with it. 

Well, this is a gynecomastia forum, not a "minor defect that nobody else would ever notice" forum. If people would just stop posing in front of mirrors and stop taking endless selfies, they would be a lot happier.[/font][/size][/color]
Bummed and my $0.02

[gyno1990]

Yes, moobs can cause self esteem and so can certain surgical outcomes.
Why is that so ridiculous?

If a guy has moobs (not boobs), it is because they did something to become fat, and moobs are just part of being fat. If a guy is that worried about his appearance, why pack on a few hundred pounds in the first place?

You haven't even seen the defect in question on the posters in this thread nor are you aware of exactly how much it is bothering us. Asking about something doesn't mean you're worried about being GQ model perfect. Being curious and wondering is fine. I'd like this defect to be corrected but I'm not overly preoccupied with it.

Well, this is a gynecomastia forum, not a "minor defect that nobody else would ever notice" forum. If people would just stop posing in front of mirrors and stop taking endless selfies, they would be a lot happier.[/font][/size][/color]
Bummed and my $0.02

Yeah, I'm talking about actual gyno if that's the terminology we're using. Not moobs caused by being fat, but actual gyno. 

This is indeed a gynecomastia forum, and gynecomastia surgery and it's outcomes are related to that. Again, you don't know how noticeable some of these defects are. Some are, some aren't. 

[cpa5oh]

Guy thinks he has an abnormality in his chest and asks about it on a forum dedicated to male breast abnormalities.

Hammer tells him he needs a job.

Tiger paws tells him he's got an obsession with the mirror.  He recommends a "physiologist" (sic).

Hammer and Tiger paws assume that all thread participants other than themselves have self esteem problems.

Hammer tells everyone about how successful he is.  On an internet message board.  When nobody asked.

Tiger paws tells everyone how successful he is.  On an internet message board.  When nobody asked.

[TigerPaws]

Yes and real Gynecomastia looks like this:

Not fat but breasts
Removal would require a complete Double Mastectomy

[hammer]

Guys, I just want to say that I know TigerPaws off the forum, and he is who he says he is, no reason to lie!

The reason the he and I say we are successful, is we try to get you to understand that breast don't hold you back unless you let them, or what ever other problems you think they create for you! We are trying to give you friendly testimony, but as TigerPaws has allotted to, most of you are unable to accept it!

[Gyno2110]

Everyone settle down and relax.  I also got advice from tiger paws and while I agree with alot of the philosophical ideas he has it's not always that easy.  The problem is we don't all come from the same walks.  Some people might have thicker skin (no pun intended) because of the their walk.  This isn't a black or white issue.  Let's at least be respectful because I think everyone wants the best for each other.  Don't make it personal.  Sometimes we need to agree to disagree. Tiger makes some good points and is probably a little more old school then most of us on here.  Some on here might have self-esteem issues.  Others might have body dismorphic issues.  Some people might be a little extreme or making a mountain out of a molehill.  Everyone is different.  Good luck to everyone dealing with it and I hope everyone finds out that the answers are probably somewhere in the middle.