Possible Gyne Reduction Test! Day-to-Day upd

[Zippy211]

Where did Testing_Andractim go?

Did he leave once everyone bought the cream?

Makes me go back to thinking he works @ that all saints clinic place..

ANY UPDATES??!

[wolfman]

i have a planet in the univers to sell if u buy it the gyn would go away


dont buy that shit it doesnt work save your mony for surgery THAT WORKS

[toughcrowd]

i have a planet in the univers to sell if u buy it the gyn would go away


dont buy that shit it doesnt work save your mony for surgery THAT WORKS

Haha. You are a nut. So the fact that it works for some people doesn't matter cause you say so? How do you know "that shit doesn't work" again? I'm half way through the treatment and I can say it works in reducing the gland tissue. Worth every penny so far. I'll end up getting the surgery probably but this will make my life a lot easier until then.

[Testing_Andractim]

Guys, half way done with the 2nd tube and it hasnt shown any results so far.  I'm pretty disappointed, but oh well. Sir_puffs i hope everything goes well with Andractim for you.  Good luck with you gyne.  As for me, i guess i'll look into surgery.  thanks for keepin up with me guys.

[FormerPropeciaUser]

Whats everyone.

Thought I'll share my experiences.

I have proabably a moderate case of gyno. My "breasts" are about 1/2 inch high, 2  inches wide. Or maybe thats a serious case, I dont know.

I'm 30 years old, got it cause of Propecia...havent used Propecia for over a year now, but gyno has not gone away. As a side bar, I'd like to sue Merck.

9 days ago, I started using Andactrim. So far...I'm not sure...I think its improved one time, then I look again and I think, no improvement. I'm pretty certain that the affected area has gotten softer - perhaps the tissue is breaking down a bit, but not sure yet. Will keep everyone posted.

If you have any thoughts for me, let me know.

[Sir_Puffs-a-lot]

OK, time for some authority here...wolfman, I respect your platinum membership, but I'm not sure if you deserve it. It's pretty obvious you don't read most of what's on this board...you guys are all the same, "DON'T BYE INTA' THIS STOOPID (EXCREMENT)! I ALMOST GRADIATED FRUM HIGH SCHOOL, AND THAT MAKES ME AN EXPURT ON THINGS I KNOW ABSOTIVELEY NOTHING ABOUT! U SHOULD SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLERS AN' GO UNDER THAT OL' KNIFE, EVEN IF YA ONLY HAVA MILD CASE OF GYN, YEAH!" Yeah, I'm convinced. Tell you what, you should be an army recruiter. Just don't recruit near any spelling bees. Testing_, sorry to hear it didn't work out for you, I know how you had high hopes bro; I know everyone here is thankful you added to the ongoing tests we have with these experimental treatments. So you're probably wondering what happened to me?...I'm done with the second tube now, and WILL NOT be ordering a third. I know I said I would, but honestly since then I've almost forgotten about my gyne. SERIOUSLY. The results I've seen (and if you aren't aware of my thread, see the *Andractim Results!* one, it'll be a few pages back) and my recent workout frenzy have made me forget it's even there. In case you still won't read my thread, the 'results' are that I've lost over half the gland that was there, and by working out I've managed to flatten the nipple out some. The best encouragement I've had though was when we had a cookout at our apartment pool the other day. About HALF the guys there had puffy nipples, some worse, some better than mine. It was at that moment that I realized how stupid I was. Bottom line, I really just don't care anymore. I'm over it. Keep in mind though, I did  start out with a mild case of gyne, nothing near severe, and ACTUALLY WORKED to improve the situation to the point where I was happy with it. I am IN NO WAY knocking on any of the people on this board by saying this is a stupid condition. Most people here probably have a worst case than me; our condition is a REAL psychological nuisance. I'm simply telling my story. To FormerPropecia...if you'll read my thread, you'll see that it didn't even start working for me until about 3 to 4 weeks. Stick with it, and be meticulous, then after about a month you can decide if it's working. To FBI, yes, it IS possible the gland softening could be due to the massaging, but I doubt it. Most of the other threads on Andractim don't mention massaging to the extent that I did, and they still reported gland softening; I think it's just an indication that the gel is doing what it's supposed to. ONE LAST THING, I promise...it's clear some of you STILL aren't aware of what Andractim does, so let me clarify:  IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR GOD SAKES. Let me reiterate ONCE AGAIN what medical research on Andractim has produced:  ONLY 1 in 4 gyne cases are completely resolved, and 3 in 4 cases show SOME improvement, no matter how small the extent. IT IS NOT A MIRACLE CREAM, FOR THE LAST TIME. If you have a MILD case of gyne, and are looking for solutions other than surgery, I would recommend what I have done:  at least trying Andractim, but most importantly, hitting the gym. That's it, I'M DONE. PEACE OUT. -J.

[downsbs]

Buy Rebound XT, it works waaaaaayyy better than Andractim.  I have used both, I noticed softening of the gland in about three to four days with Rebound XT, I had no results from Andractim other than a decrease in my checking account.  The Rebound XT is about $30.00 per bottle, compared to $200.00 for the Andractim.  Take it for what it is worth, this is my personal experience.

[Sir_Puffs-a-lot]

Have you noticed any other results since?

[GuckFyno]

I got some results with rebound xt. Reduction not reversal. Andractim has been tested in clinical trials and so have tamoxifen/raloxifene and all have been shown to reduce gyne in a high percentage of young males. Surgery is not the ONLY option. It is obviously the best for correction but there are other options avaliable.

[dublin13]

Hey former Propecia user...how long were you on Fin?  I was on it for about 6 months and developed it.

[brm]

hey formerpropeciauser, I got my gyno from avodart but never developped gyno while on propecia and proscar. One thing I'd like to tell you: my blood tests revealed a perfectly normal estradiol at the moment my gyno was growing. But my prolactin proved very high. Do you have any any idea of your estradiol and prolactin levels? has your gyno been confirmed as a high estrogen case?

[FormerPropeciaUser]

I used Propecia for 4 years. I am assuming it was caused by Propecia becuase its the only explanation. I also experienced sexual side effects from propecia so that checks out with in increased estrogen level.
I havent had any tests done to confirm that propecia is the cause; the one doctor I mentioend this too was basically telling me that there is no problem, it couldnt be caused by propecia, and that I should pump iron; i.e. he was clueless on the issue.

Day 12..My breasts are saggin a bit now. I cant say it looks better but its a good sign I think - means the breast tissue must be going away and the fat tissue is still there; like when and older womens boobs sag I guess.

Is there anything I need to do to make sure the fatty tissue does indeed get metabolized? I'm a bit concerned because - if you think about an old lady's saggy boobs: Its not like they go away if she excercises.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone...

[Hypo-is-here]

The drugs that have been stated contain finasteride.  Finasteride reduces the potent male hormone Dihydrotestosterone- DHT.

Finasteride is used to chemically castrate men as a trearment for prostate cancer.

Reducing the aforementioned male androgen adversely affects the androgen to estrogen ratio and in doing this allows for the develop of gynecomastia.

So these drugs principle mechanism of action has little to do with estradiol or prolactin.

The reason neither of you guys would have found the cause of your issues via hormone assays is probably because you would not have had DHT tested.

[brm]

Hi Hypo, nice to hear you again. Well, remember, I had had my DHT tested as well and it was indeed low from fin. Your hint (ratio and not individual values) seems fair, we know it. But it would then imply that this balance ratio must have a value that varies with individuals. Right. Why not, even if this value could then reach high ups and low downs for an equal state of balance from one individual to the other. But I still can't make out why many guys have a better libido while on DHT blockers. Yes, we could think the reason lies in their poor conversion from test to dhtest but dht seems to be an indispensable metabolite for a good sex drive.

BTW, i should have a new test result in some days (prolactin, DHT, estradiol) 3  months after quitting arimidex and parlodel.

Hey formerpropeciauser, how's your hair? What did you replace propecia with? Did you shed a lot after stopping?

[FormerPropeciaUser]

Actually, the hair situation aint bad. Am using minoxidil but have started phasing it out, and 1 year after stopping fin, I still got a lot of hair. I mean I shed quite a bit initially but still in general have a pretty full head of hair. So...basically I wish I had never used that crap in the first place.