Want to point something out about gynecomastia surgery

[Alchemist]

Hi Bummed,
I went and ran some errands today.  I saw an easy half a dozen guys with obvious breasts, in T-shirts, at least A or B cup, a couple of very overdressed (several oversized heavy shirts on a 98 degree day) guys, visible on the sidewalk as I drove by or in the stores.  And a couple of times a week I see compression vests or sports bras.  I'm not doing anything special to see them though I have 20/20 vision.
Causes are bitch.  Most of us never know why.  I had vitamin deficiency genetics that do affect testosterone and also body growth.  So I had some terrible teeth that had the misfortune of growing during some of my illnesses where growing stopped.  My legs are short for the length of my torso.  I had a friend who was 6'8" compared to my 6'1", his inseams were 7 inches longer.  At 39 my body crashed and my testosterone dropped off the bottom.  However, as my breasts had finished growing 20 odd years earlier it made no difference that way.

Something that was a surprise to me is that fluctuations in copper level can change testosterone levels, quickly.  And that is at copper levels entirely within "range".  And there might be a dozen other things like that, transitory biochemical changes that usually appear to be nothing significant.  I would guess if we had lifetime data on a million or so men, we might figure it out.  What they find are persistent causes like tumors which fortunately are rare.  Be glad they can't find any nasty causes.  If you look at age of death and causes in autopsy studies I doubt that you will find any clues as to why most of the 50-70% of men with gland growth by examination have it or that they die younger or from some specific cause clusters.  It is not a condition that shows up on health exams or questionnaires for life or health insurance.  If they could charge extra for having it they would, if the statistics showed the problem.

[rrr]

[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Alchemist said:
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[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] went and ran some errands today.  I saw an easy half a dozen guys with obvious breasts, in T-shirts, at least A or B cup, a couple of very overdressed (several oversized heavy shirts on a 98 degree day) guys, visible on the sidewalk as I drove by or in the stores.  And a couple of times a week I see compression vests or sports bras. [/font][/color]

[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Honestly, you must live amongst a different human population lol[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Or, you are too lenient on your definition of breasts on men.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]But leniency doesn't explain the vests or bras, so my first thought must be correct...[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Strictly speaking, pecs, when the chest is measured, can indicate a cup size, when there really isn't. I know across my pec measurement was about 2" larger than just below, so according to bra measurements, that would be a B cup - but they weren't breasts, they were pecs. Having pecs before breast growth only exacerbates the size of the breasts on top.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I know when I'm looking, I look for the telltale nipples poking out. Mine never did when I just had pecs, and I assume other than when it's cold, normal men's do not.[/font][/color]


When I look, 2/3 of men are usually ruled out because of weight. Anyone with pecs instead of boobs doesn't count. With those two qualifications, I have only seen 2-3 (out of hundreds to thousands) men with any amount of breast, and zero wearing a vest or bra.


I just didn't think regions could vary that much in regards to gyno. What state are you in? Does that state have a higher rate of gyno?


Maybe it's me, but I'm sure I'm paying attention and looking as closely as I can.


Bummed

[TigerPaws]

[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Alchemist said:
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[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif] went and ran some errands today.  I saw an easy half a dozen guys with obvious breasts, in T-shirts, at least A or B cup, a couple of very overdressed (several oversized heavy shirts on a 98 degree day) guys, visible on the sidewalk as I drove by or in the stores.  And a couple of times a week I see compression vests or sports bras. [/font][/color]

[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Honestly, you must live amongst a different human population lol[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Or, you are too lenient on your definition of breasts on men.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]But leniency doesn't explain the vests or bras, so my first thought must be correct...[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Strictly speaking, pecs, when the chest is measured, can indicate a cup size, when there really isn't. I know across my pec measurement was about 2" larger than just below, so according to bra measurements, that would be a B cup - but they weren't breasts, they were pecs. Having pecs before breast growth only exacerbates the size of the breasts on top.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]I know when I'm looking, I look for the telltale nipples poking out. Mine never did when I just had pecs, and I assume other than when it's cold, normal men's do not.[/font][/color]


When I look, 2/3 of men are usually ruled out because of weight. Anyone with pecs instead of boobs doesn't count. With those two qualifications, I have only seen 2-3 (out of hundreds to thousands) men with any amount of breast, and zero wearing a vest or bra.


I just didn't think regions could vary that much in regards to gyno. What state are you in? Does that state have a higher rate of gyno?


Maybe it's me, but I'm sure I'm paying attention and looking as closely as I can.


Bummed

Sounds like to me (Bummed) you are far too concerned about what others may or may not think and that you have an unhealthy obsession with comparing yourself with others.

Perhaps it might be better if you sought out a qualified Psychiatrist as you seem to have some serious issues.

[cpa5oh]

Bummed, I wish I'd not posted anything to try and help you (I certainly didn't post any of that for myself).  I hope everyone here gets what they want (losing man boobs, if that's what they want) except you: I hope your man boobs continue to grow while you argue with everyone and I hope people in your life make fun of you.  

[Alchemist]

[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Alchemist said:
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[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif] went and ran some errands today.  I saw an easy half a dozen guys with obvious breasts, in T-shirts, at least A or B cup, a couple of very overdressed (several oversized heavy shirts on a 98 degree day) guys, visible on the sidewalk as I drove by or in the stores.  And a couple of times a week I see compression vests or sports bras. [/font][/color]

[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Honestly, you must live amongst a different human population lol[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Or, you are too lenient on your definition of breasts on men.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]But leniency doesn't explain the vests or bras, so my first thought must be correct...[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]Strictly speaking, pecs, when the chest is measured, can indicate a cup size, when there really isn't. I know across my pec measurement was about 2" larger than just below, so according to bra measurements, that would be a B cup - but they weren't breasts, they were pecs. Having pecs before breast growth only exacerbates the size of the breasts on top.[/font][/color]


[font="Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif]I know when I'm looking, I look for the telltale nipples poking out. Mine never did when I just had pecs, and I assume other than when it's cold, normal men's do not.[/font][/color]


When I look, 2/3 of men are usually ruled out because of weight. Anyone with pecs instead of boobs doesn't count. With those two qualifications, I have only seen 2-3 (out of hundreds to thousands) men with any amount of breast, and zero wearing a vest or bra.


I just didn't think regions could vary that much in regards to gyno. What state are you in? Does that state have a higher rate of gyno?


Maybe it's me, but I'm sure I'm paying attention and looking as closely as I can.


Bummed

Bummed,

You are confusing what you think you see with verifiable medical facts.  In AUTOPSY studies, 50% to 70%  of men have gland growth, the definition of gynecomastia in a strict sense.  However, as many of the guys are equally upset over fat, pecs and the fact that those usually coexist with enlarged glands so there are no "pure" cases as they are all mixed to some degree, you are defining yourself into a corner you can't escape.   That isn't a nice thing to do to yourself.  So a guy who is fat has G-cup breasts and you say "doesn't count", doesn't matter if he is freaking out or not.  Fat accounts for a cup size or 2 for many over a 100 pound difference range so maybe the guy is D or DD at skin and bones.  And you know, the kids harassing the hell out of you because you are always made to play skins, don't distinguish.  Fat is just another reason to harass a guy.

You are freaking yourself out over a molehill being viewed as a mountain.  Since you don't see the vests and bras I can only assume you don't recognize them when you see them or disqualify the guy because he has a gut too.  And nobody dresses in that kind of shirts in this heat without a strong reason.  I see fewer of the oversize shirts this year and more t-shirts.  Go to a nudist club.  Get used to many varied bodies, none perfect.

[Paa_Paw]

According to your description, this is a problem of recent origin.   The correct Doctor for you would be an Endocrinologist.   You would not want to consult a surgeon until the condition of your breasts has stabilized for a period of at least a year and two years would be even better. 

[DavidWar]

I was suffering from gyno few years, always found it difficult to decrease the problem through exercises. Was planning to have the surgery in UK but since found out about the costs I started to search the clinic abroad. Finally, after some time I chose the surgeon that had lots of positive reviews and that made me feel confident. I underwent thye surgery with dr Piotr Rataj in Wroclaw, Poland. Clinicoryou made it all so easy....from the very beginning they were very helpful. Dr Piotr is amazing, I'm already very happy with my results. Highly recommend that clinic and Piotr Rataj!

[Paa_Paw]

I had a total knee replacement April 8, 2016  The cautions mentioned apply to all sorts of surgery and to medicine in general.   You need to realize that the person most concerned with your health is you.  Become knowledgeable about your own condition and stay involved in the decision making process.  If there is a serious lapse in your treatment, the person responsible is really you. 

At one point , Mixed signals meant that when transferred from the Hospital to Re-Hab, the Physical therapy department got the message that I needed help with upper body strength instead of help restoring the mobility of my legs.  At that point, I had to become my own physical therapist.  A week later, the doctor noted that I had met or exceeded his expectations for recovery.   I went home from rehab after 8 days instead of the ten days to two weeks that had been planned.