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Title: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: ssheers on August 22, 2021, 03:15:33 PM
I read in another thread about this. I started cross dressing at puberty at the same time I started to develop breasts. I always wondered if these were connected. But based on my observations and the posts by many men on this site, I think not. I have met many cross dressers over the years and most were flat chested. If you look at cross dressing sites they sell breast plates to give the illusion of breasts. I fortunately have never needed these. Please this is totally unscientific, but would love to hear other peoples thoughts.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Denman on August 22, 2021, 03:56:49 PM
That is an interesting quandary. Could your mind influence your hormones which grew your breast tissue? I would tend to say no, but a doctor could answer this better. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: taxmapper on August 22, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
Total male here. 

No I don't "crossdress" for the purpose of any kind of sexual thing. The "cross dressing" (bra wearing) is a practical aspect of breast support. 


I think alot of that aspect does exist, and there may be more involved.  

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Rich meier on August 22, 2021, 11:56:26 PM
I read in another thread about this. I started cross dressing at puberty at the same time I started to develop breasts. I always wondered if these were connected. But based on my observations and the posts by many men on this site, I think not. I have met many cross dressers over the years and most were flat chested. If you look at cross dressing sites they sell breast plates to give the illusion of breasts. I fortunately have never needed these. Please this is totally unscientific, but would love to hear other peoples thoughts.
I was similar except that I developed later in my 40,s from prescription drugs and thenstarted wearing bras. now i started wearing womens bladder control panties out of need. i have a little leakage from bph dont like the bulky pads or mens depends the panties work much better and can wear them all dat with out getting wet. I dont think of this as crossdressing but a medical need just like wearing a bra for gyno
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Moobzie on August 23, 2021, 03:21:43 AM
From sheers:
"... I started cross dressing at puberty at the same time I started to develop breasts. I always wondered if these were connected. But based on my observations and the posts by many men on this site, I think not...."

They're not organically connected.  As one of the regular contributors always puts it:
"Bras are for breasts."  Of course, some cross-dressers have gynecomastia, but they're distinct phenomena.  Most of the contributors here - as you noted - who have "accepted" their gynecomastia are not cd.

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: leosud on August 23, 2021, 06:50:52 AM
I have had breasts since I was puberty. I have always liked to dress like a woman and now at 60 years old I am in a transgender process.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: taxmapper on August 23, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
One other aspect that is difficult to construct into a specific message without misinterpretation. 

When I was much younger, and even up to today, I did wonder why I didn't grow 'hips" like a female. 

One thing that i was told when I was around 17, I had a short bout of estrogen hitting the breasts and causing "lumps" behind my nipple. 
I was told by the family doctor that it was normal, but that when I hit around 50, I would probably grow breasts. 

It was totally hormonal. that it would in fact have me think in ways most other men wont. 

I like women. that simple. But:  To this day it makes me wonder why I keep thinking I should have "hips".

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: perky on August 25, 2021, 04:34:01 PM
One other aspect that is difficult to construct into a specific message without misinterpretation.

When I was much younger, and even up to today, I did wonder why I didn't grow 'hips" like a female.

One thing that i was told when I was around 17, I had a short bout of estrogen hitting the breasts and causing "lumps" behind my nipple.
I was told by the family doctor that it was normal, but that when I hit around 50, I would probably grow breasts.

It was totally hormonal. that it would in fact have me think in ways most other men wont.

I like women. that simple. But:  To this day it makes me wonder why I keep thinking I should have "hips".
When I was about 15 I also had buds behind my nipples. They did just go away after a couple of years. Ive never heard before that if you have buds at a young age then you will most likely to develop breast later in life. At 60 I first noticed my breast enlarging and had tests etc which were perfectly normal. Im 63 now at my breast are about an A or near B cup. Im not overweight though and never have been and not on any meds. Doesn't make much sense to me. I probably should also say that I do cross dress and dont need to fill a bra with silicon anymore. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: curiousk on September 02, 2021, 07:43:06 AM
One other aspect that is difficult to construct into a specific message without misinterpretation.

When I was much younger, and even up to today, I did wonder why I didn't grow 'hips" like a female.

One thing that i was told when I was around 17, I had a short bout of estrogen hitting the breasts and causing "lumps" behind my nipple.
I was told by the family doctor that it was normal, but that when I hit around 50, I would probably grow breasts.

It was totally hormonal. that it would in fact have me think in ways most other men wont.

I like women. that simple. But:  To this day it makes me wonder why I keep thinking I should have "hips".
This is a tricky one.  I started growing breasts at 11 years old.  I guess I’ve always been a little confused because I grow breasts, but have a penis and I was attracted to girls.  I think a part of me wondered why I never got hips either.

i didn’t mind that I grew breasts and came to accept and like that I had breasts.  I believe that I’m a male with a lot of effeminate traits, but didn’t get into the idea of wearing women’s clothing.

After deciding to wear a bra for support and comfort  almost 2 years ago, I’ve also began to wear some women’s shirts and layering tank tops as they have more room in the chest.

i believe that this has awakened something inside of me to take it a step further to try dresses, underwear and pants.  I’m not sure where this is going, but time will tell.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on September 04, 2021, 06:08:21 AM
Thank you for the provocative post. It is the old chicken or egg thing. Regardless of which came first, it is good to see you embracing and making the most of what you are
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: curiousk on September 04, 2021, 09:03:35 AM
That’s the catch is that I’m not sure who I am now and I need time to figure that out. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on September 04, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Just do what is natural. If something comes to mind, try it.  If it feels good, continue and try more things. If it does not feel good, then you can stop that and try something else. 

It sounds as if that is what you did with that dress in your other post.   That dress looked great on you.  And you said you liked how you felt in it, too.   Now you know you like wearing dresses and look good in them too. 

What else do you think might work for you?  And are interested in?  Try it.  Can’t hurt. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: brock123 on September 06, 2021, 01:11:49 AM
It's easier said than done, but there is legitimately nothing wrong with men gravitating towards traditionally female "things" and trying them out (most of these "things" were originally male "things"- google it).  Style/jewelry is not a gender specific trait.  If you head out rocking a pretty dress, pretty earrings, pretty painted nails/toes, how does that make you feel?  If you feel confident enough in your appearance it's unlikely that anyone would comment about it.

I'm 48, have long since "solved" my breast problem, but am also acutely aware that if it would be acceptable to my peers I'd totally be rocking a bra, polish, and earrings :)  Sadly it's not that way so I'm in a semi loose button-down shirt and jeans, have self-applied matte clear nail polish on my fingers that nobody knows about, and my ears are quite virgin and without any holes.

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on September 06, 2021, 06:31:24 AM
Brock, a very sensible approach, being true to yourself, but cognizant and considering others. 

Maybe panties or such underneath?
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: brock123 on September 07, 2021, 12:16:19 AM
That's actually a very coincidental question, to be honest :)  While I am not into panties, due to some additional weight loss over the past year I'm now down to a size 34 waist and needed to get some new underwear to accommodate that a few weeks ago; my "XL" briefs became too bulky for my new pants/jeans.  As it happened, Target did not have any size "L" briefs in stock so I tried out a pack of "sports briefs" since that's what they had.

These seem to be, in essence, panties for dudes.  There is no hole/flap, they sit low, the "Hanes" tag is on the front as if it were your wife's Victoria's Secret bow, etc.  At first I balked at them due to the massive difference in feeling and what I call their "overly festive" colors, but gave them a chance.  It turns out these things rock!

I happen to also suffer from a condition that I don't recall the name of, but it's basically a pinched nerve in the waist/pelvis area that causes serious pain/burning sensation in my right thigh due to compression from clothing. Having my underwear sit lower than my waistline has allowed me to wear jeans that won't fall off of my ass with zero discomfort to date!

While I haven't indulged myself on any feminine garments down there,  I think I now understand the benefits of the basic "pantie" design and provided you are willing to visit the stall instead of the urinal to do your business, I've found this underwear to be extremely comfortable.  Depending on the brand/model, you might also find that your "stuff" tends to be enhanced in appearance :)  My wife has not complained!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Willimuth on December 05, 2021, 03:51:41 PM
In my business I have a lot of older lesbian customers, so at some point I started dressing as they do. I've gotten a lot of help from them .specifically with tops and pants. I guess I'm in a Grey zone , I wear a little makeup And lipstick sometime, but depending who you are you could look at me either way
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on December 05, 2021, 07:24:42 PM
Androgynous is a very cute look
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on December 06, 2021, 02:09:00 PM
I've had gynecomastia since puberty and incidentally been drawn to wearing women's lingerie from around the same time, the result of sexual experiences I had as a young boy that could be characterized as abusive.  When I first put on a bustier that belonged to a neighbor for whom I was babysitting, it was not because my breasts were so large at age 12.  Needless to say the combination of gynecomastia and the sexual trauma that triggered acting out behaviors that sometimes involved using women's lingerie, complicates everything. 

As I've gotten older and my hormonal cocktail has moved toward estrogen, my breasts have gotten bigger.  When I first encountered men who wear brassieres I was intrigued and eventually found this website.  Here I was able to indulge my attraction to a pretty brassiere with breasts that actually filled the cups of those brassieres.  My breasts are not so large that I feel the need to wear a brassiere full time, but in reality, I so enjoy wearing a brassiere and seeing my breasts filling the C cups that I want to wear one when I'm home alone.  I guess there is a sexual component to all of that which one often finds with crossdressers. 

I've visited a few websites devoted to crossdressing and find my reality and desires don't really fit in that world.  I'm not interested in transitioning and I have no interest is wigs or dresses.  All I want is an attractive brassiere that feels good on my breasts... which is what I'm wearing at the moment.  I often say that we develop breasts because our bodies carry more estrogen than most men.  That estrogen not only affects breast development but many other things about our humanity.  I don't want to become a woman, but I'm happy to be on the more feminine side of the gender spectrum.  Seeing and touching my very real breasts gives me pleasure.  That isn't always expressed so directly on this website, but support for acceptance of exactly where we are on this journey is found here.  I'm grateful for that.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: brock123 on December 07, 2021, 12:08:17 AM
I've had gynecomastia since puberty and incidentally been drawn to wearing women's lingerie from around the same time, the result of sexual experiences I had as a young boy that could be characterized as abusive.  When I first put on a bustier that belonged to a neighbor for whom I was babysitting, it was not because my breasts were so large at age 12.  Needless to say the combination of gynecomastia and the sexual trauma that triggered acting out behaviors that sometimes involved using women's lingerie, complicates everything. 

As I've gotten older and my hormonal cocktail has moved toward estrogen, my breasts have gotten bigger.  When I first encountered men who wear brassieres I was intrigued and eventually found this website.  Here I was able to indulge my attraction to a pretty brassiere with breasts that actually filled the cups of those brassieres.  My breasts are not so large that I feel the need to wear a brassiere full time, but in reality, I so enjoy wearing a brassiere and seeing my breasts filling the C cups that I want to wear one when I'm home alone.  I guess there is a sexual component to all of that which one often finds with crossdressers. 

I've visited a few websites devoted to crossdressing and find my reality and desires don't really fit in that world.  I'm not interested in transitioning and I have no interest is wigs or dresses.  All I want is an attractive brassiere that feels good on my breasts... which is what I'm wearing at the moment.  I often say that we develop breasts because our bodies carry more estrogen than most men.  That estrogen not only affects breast development but many other things about our humanity.  I don't want to become a woman, but I'm happy to be on the more feminine side of the gender spectrum.  Seeing and touching my very real breasts gives me pleasure.  That isn't always expressed so directly on this website, but support for acceptance of exactly where we are on this journey is found here.  I'm grateful for that.

+1.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: leosud on December 07, 2021, 04:48:05 AM
My chest has been a big worry all my youth. One day around 13 or 14 years old I tried a bra on my mother. She had a very small breast and wore padded bras. When I saw my chest (already very round) amplified by the bra I understood that I could not live otherwise. My breasts no longer popped, the nipples no longer irritated on T-shirts, and when I removed the pads, they were very discreet despite their volume. I lived as a well-behaved little boy until the age of 20, discreetly borrowing my grandmother's bras because my chest was growing. She who was benevolent saw and understood what was happening to me and she bought me my first bras, a model a little younger than hers and just the right size .... When I got to college, I developed a taste for cross-dressing. My hips were already starting to widen naturally, my most comfortable jeans are those of women. Unfortunately I had to live by hiding my chest, wearing loose clothes or compression vests for class. No one noticed my jeans and my women's blouses or t-shirts, but if I left my chest free, I had glances and thoughts. I got married, my wife never accepted my bras and we got divorced. At 50, I decided not to fight against my body, I took responsibility for my breasts, I wore bras and I took treatment to further develop my breasts. My body has become feminized and I only wear women's pants but I am on the transgender path and I think I will end my life with a beautiful femininity. Having big breasts is the most beautiful thing that ever happened to me!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on December 07, 2021, 01:05:11 PM
...I got married, my wife never accepted my bras and we got divorced. At 50, I decided not to fight against my body, I took responsibility for my breasts, I wore bras and I took treatment to further develop my breasts. My body has become feminized and I only wear women's pants but I am on the transgender path and I think I will end my life with a beautiful femininity. Having big breasts is the most beautiful thing that ever happened to me!
This is a journey many of the men posting on the crossdressing site I've visited talk about.  Yes, some wives are willing to join their husbands as they explore a more feminine presentation but many don't.  They speak about "don't ask, don't tell" and dress only away from home or when their wives are absent.  Since breast development isn't generally discussed it is impossible to know how many of these men find themselves there because of the journey we've been on with elevated estrogen having its way with our bodies in the way you describe.

Although I have no interest in transitioning I am comfortable considering myself as non-binary... a man with male genitals and feminine breasts I enjoy.  Though this discussion may be uncomfortable for some of the men here, I think it is important to consider this possible outcome of having elevated estrogen in our systems.  Estrogen affects our bodies and our minds.  That is reality.  Cutting off breasts won't stop estrogen from doing its thing.  Insurance companies won't pay for removal of our breasts because it is not a danger to our health.  Yes, it may be a danger to our ego but not our health.  That said, having grown up with discomfort because of my chest, I certainly understand how a young man troubled by this condition could want to be free, as the man who started this website did when he had multiple surgeries to remove his breasts.  He is happy with his decision.  Here is a video that shows part of his journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMU7LPqy04U
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on December 08, 2021, 06:22:45 AM
It's no surprise to many here that I crossdress. To a degree. No dresses, wigs, makeup, nails, etc., just underclothing. I consider the word crossdressing to be a slur which brings into question the sexuality of the person and there would be no shortage of people willing to use it in that fashion.

For the benefit of newbies, I have A/B cup moobs, certainly noticeable under most tops and embarrassing if topless, but I have no pain or irritation or jiggle issues. I do not normally wear a bra. I face the prospect of future growth due to a long term medical issue that might require hormone treatment in the next year or so. I experimented with bras long before I even considered needing to, and suddenly, I am faced with the prospect of actually needing to.

I have never been tempted to even look at crossdressing forums or websites. I'm just not like that. The only reason that I have been comfortable revealing certain information here, on a gynecomastia forum, is that it seems a common trait amongst members, for a variety of reasons. I originally came here looking for advice and looking for others that were maybe also experiencing similar issues to me. What I found was a bunch of people who were above all else, honest. This place also gave me an opportunity to provide some advice myself, later on. Along the way I have also tried to justify my choice to occasionally wear a bra, rightly or wrongly, and I could also rightly attempt to justify my choice to wear other stuff on medical grounds, but that has nothing to do with gynecomastia so I will keep that to myself.

I wonder if reactions to this thread would be different if it was titled, Cross dressing and gynecomastia, rather than the other way around? Probably not, but in the meantime maybe it would be prudent to remember the difference between correlation and caustation.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on December 08, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
My body shape is more like a woman’s and women’s clothing fits, feels, and looks best on me. 

Of course, I need to wear a bra like a woman does.  Panties, for example, fit me better, feel so soft compared to men’s underwear, and look more appropriate with my bras than do men’s underpants. 

Does that make me a cross dresser?
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Confused old man on December 08, 2021, 09:08:35 AM
Sideset,..I don’t think that makes you a Crossdresser. I have never really understood that term. Wearing clothes that fit or style that you like is just that. Now putting on makeup and wigs and dressing in short skirts trying to pass as a woman. That’s probably Crossdressing...drag queens or men dressed like a street walker in my view is going over the top. A look throughout history about men’s and women’s styles has changed back and forth. Wear what you like and feels good.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on December 08, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
First it is important to remember that most crossdressers are heterosexual and nowhere near all of them could be construed as drag queens.  Going drag is often played out among gay men but heterosexual men are doing something else.  It was quite funny when someone on the crossdressing site I visit from time to time asked the question "How many of the men here are in law enforcement?"  There were TEN men who identified themselves.  A number spoke about wearing women's undergarments beneath their uniforms.  Frankly, I think we make a mistake if we try to characterize crossdressing as some bizarre rarity.  I've no doubt that normies would visit the Acceptance side of this website and shake their heads.  Who are those strange men who say they NEED to wear brassieres and then talk about their preferred brassieres?

Every man who wears a brassiere is crossdressing and it is NO BIG DEAL.  It is estrogen in our bodies that gives us breasts, the same estrogen in women that define their gender... breasts, hips, softer demeanor.  We all exist on a gender continuum that is defined by how much testosterone and how much estrogen is in our hormonal makeup... and that changes as we age, for both men and women.  The effects for men... diminishing testosterone, leads to movement toward the feminine side of the continuum.  You can fight it by hormone replacement but honestly, that is a losing battle.  Yes, it will be fought by men who can't tolerate the possibility of losing their "manliness."  Doubtless that is why there is a strong market for Viagra.  Personally, my sexual vitality was not a particularly wonderful thing in my life, probably because I have sexual trauma in my history... so diminished libido that seems directly correlated to blossoming breasts is not a serious concern.

I enjoy wearing a brassiere, when I do... and I love what a brassiere does to my breasts.  I like how they feel and how they look... a spiritual teacher I respect has an acronym for meeting life... RAIN...  The A says we should "allow life to be just as it is."  That is the essence of acceptance... so breasts, brassieres, pleasure can all be exactly at they are.  I'm good with that and I have no doubt conversations I've had on this website contribute to my growing acceptance.  I don't need to change anything.  Amazing... after spending a lifetime believing I had to be wrong...
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Confused old man on December 08, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
So wearing a bra is a crossdresser?...even though you need it....now I’m really confused!...just because something is labeled men’s or women’s doesn’t make it gender specific. In a culture that hates labels...like gender, race, color and so on....sure seems to be a lot of labels out there anymore! Some on here say to wear a bra because you need it. Now you say if you wear one your a crossdressser....gheeez
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on December 08, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
...just because something is labeled men’s or women’s doesn’t make it gender specific...
I'll accept your point when I walk into the men's department of ANY store and find a display of brassieres for sale...  (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f631.png)

I understand that men here will advocate for wearing brassieres when we develop breasts.  At the same time few men will embrace the idea they need brassieres because their body is becoming more feminine.  They will talk about comfort and help with their back or with sensitive nipples... legitimate concerns no doubt.  But it all exists because testosterone is diminished and estrogen increasing... effectively feminizing us.  Clothing manufacturers continue to improve brassieres for women who've been using them for a very long time.  It is natural with blossoming breasts that we would take advantage of that reality.  We read about men who try sports bras that are quite masculine looking but find men who eventually are drawn to more feminine looking brassieres, perhaps with lace cups because it gets hot in the summer, or colors that work with their other apparel and then panties because the brassieres look strange when worn with cotton Jockey shorts.

Crossdressing is no big deal, as I said.  The majority of men here wear brassieres beneath their regular clothing.  Some wear panties as well.  Some wear women's jeans, knowing that no one will know they are from the women's department.  You have no idea how many men in your world might be doing exactly the same thing... either because they have gynecomastia OR they are closet crossdressers.  For the record...

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Gynecomastia in adults. Researchers have estimated that the prevalence among men ages 50 to 80 is between 24% and 65%. However, most men with the condition experience no symptoms.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gynecomastia/symptoms-causes/syc-20351793

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In the United States there are varying estimates of the prevalence of crossdressing. Most conservative estimates are in the range of 2% to 5% of all adult males engage in routine crossdressing (1:50 to 1:20).

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Misconception 1: Crossdressers are Homosexuals and Do Not Like Women

While some homosexuals do crossdress, not all who crossdress are homosexual. The truth is that the majority of Crossdressers are married men who are as attracted to their wives as any typical man. According to many Crossdressers that I have spoken with, there are several advantages to being a straight crossdresser. The number one advantage is that they tend to become more understanding and sensitive when it comes to the women in their lives. So for some, crossdressing for some men is a way to get in touch with their feminine side and fully experience life.

Possibly "they tend to become more understanding and sensitive when it come to the women in their lives" BECAUSE elevated estrogen is making them more feminine themselves.  Go figure!  Enjoy the ride my friend...  (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f60e.png)
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Guywithgirls on December 10, 2021, 11:42:20 PM
My body shape is more like a woman’s and women’s clothing fits, feels, and looks best on me.

Of course, I need to wear a bra like a woman does.  Panties, for example, fit me better, feel so soft compared to men’s underwear, and look more appropriate with my bras than do men’s underpants.

Does that make me a cross dresser?
SideSet, that makes you dressing for how you feel. I wear a bra because it fits and makes me feel better. Panties are so soft and stetchy that they feel good against the male anatomy, so I wear them 😉, and "women's" shirts that are made to fit around torsos with bigger breasts fit my male torso with bigger breasts, and "women"jeans that have a deeper hip with a smaller waist than hip fit me better than "male" jeans that are more straight cut with no curves, so I wear them. So I wear "female" bras, "female" panties, "female" shirts, and "female" jeans, but I'd like to see a lot of these "manly men" nowadays come up against my with an 8 pound short handled sledge at the forge, ot know how with working in a truck. Only advantage they would have is sometimes I have to back out from under a truck and roll back in a different way because my breasts hit a crossmember. No crossdresser here, just a guy dressing for how he's shaped
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Busty on December 14, 2021, 09:28:48 AM
I think many of us are directed onto the path of cross dressing by virtue of having breasts. As a young teenager developing breasts like the other girls in class, and constantly being teased and told you need to wear a bra, until  you finally give in and secretly try on one of your mothers bras, Only to find out that all the kids teasing you are correct, you fill out the bra, and feel it look good in it.

And, of course, you can’t help but see the pretty panties, intriguing shapewear, silky hosiery  in the drawer with her bras. As you return time and again  to your mothers lingerie drawer because you want to be wearing a bra as much as you can, it’s impossible not to see and touch her lingerie and wonder if that would suit you so well also.

I have found this to be a wonderful thread, maybe it should be in the Acceptance section, though?
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on December 15, 2021, 01:08:56 AM
I was introduced to silk in the crib and clearly I liked it.  However, it was my neighbor's collection of brassieres and lingerie that caught my fancy when I babysat for her one winter when I was 12 years old.  I didn't have breasts when I first tried on her bustier but I never lost my appreciation for breasts and brassieres.  Advance forward to this chapter of my life.  Now I have breasts of my own and I still have an affection for brassieres like the one I put on a few minutes ago.  I had it on this morning but I spent the day with two friends, including my former wife... neither of whom know about this adventure I'm engaged in.  Or I should say, my former wife knows about my interests but I don't keep her current with what is transpiring day to day.  I was without a brassiere for the middle of the day but after spending a few hours at home I decided I would put on a brassiere again and visit this thread.  Yes, lingerie is enticing but as I've said before, a more expansive engagement with crossdressing doesn't hold much interest for me.  If I really took that direction it would certainly not be to wear blouses and women's pants.  I get by okay with my men's wardrobe.  If I were to really play it would be with undergarments made of silky material.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on March 15, 2022, 05:20:34 AM
I need to wear a bra like a woman does.  I like to wear panties like a woman does. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: aboywithgirls on March 15, 2022, 06:49:10 AM
I need to wear a bra like a woman does.  I like to wear panties like a woman does.
I soooo understand this 🤗.

For years, even decades prior to transitioning I wore bras and panties. It was what controlled my chest and fit bubble but. 

I had already been wearing a bra for a ew years when I started wearing panties. It was at the first time that my mother had taken me shopping for my first bras and a fitting. The SA asked us if I was interested in any of their panties. (I'm sure, to this day that the SA thought that I was a tomboy because of my obvious chest and my long hair.) I still remember my mother telling me " you're the one who's wearing them, get what you want".

It was about 10 years later, I started experimenting with ladies slacks and tops.

🥰Sophie🤗
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on March 16, 2022, 07:09:21 AM
^ Congratulations for writing such an honest and heartfelt post. How wonderful it is to have a supportive wife who totally accepts your body - I also know. Now, in retirement, you can enjoy wearing the clothing that suits your body instead of complying to other people's ideals. I am also looking towards retirement in the next year or so, and although I don't have a need or desire at this stage to wear women's outerwear, I can easily imagine how natural it must feel for you and others in your situation to do so.

I am sorry to hear about the hardships that you endured from your father during your formative years. At least you are now free to be you!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on March 16, 2022, 11:42:34 AM
...I have been beaten for wearing a men's shirt that looked "too" girly my dad ripped it off my body as I was leaving for school. I could not tell you how many times I was told "no son of mine is gonna". I grew up only being allowed to have one emotion, anger. Anything else was "not manly" enough for my Dad. My mother went along because he was protecting me from "going to hell". I was the firstborn and so I had to "set the example" for the other kids...
We tend to focus on present day issues on this thread... breasts and brassieres and acceptance.  The reality is that in addition to bodies with a hormonal stew that contributes to development of fleshy rather than flat chests, we grew up in families and had myriad experiences that shaped us, including the way we responded to being different as adolescents.  Being different is about the worst thing any kid can experience, in large measure because kids can be so cruel to one another.  As I've said before I did crossdress as a boy but it was all the result of sexual trauma I'd experienced.  It had nothing to do with my fleshy chest.  And those experiences have definitely complicated the journey that led to my being here.  And it still complicates my relationship to having breasts and wearing a brassiere as I am at the moment.

Estrogen continues to have its way with my body both in terms of breasts and in terms of genitals and libido.  I'm accepting the whole package.  I'm also accepting that there is an element of enticement in having breasts and wearing a brassiere.  I doubt I'm alone in that.  (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f631.png)
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on March 16, 2022, 03:16:57 PM
Please Charlie.  That comment wasn't to criticize what you shared but to say most folks don't want to talk about what is really going on here... as you did so honestly.  I talk about being sexually abused and about crossdressing.  I'm hardly limiting myself.  I have great respect for what you shared.  I certainly understand how difficult it is to share these things.  I spent my entire life marinated in shame because of behavior that was rooted in trauma.  I would never criticize another person who is finally able to tell the truth about their experience.  I appreciate what you share on the thread.  
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Rich meier on March 16, 2022, 03:52:41 PM
that goes for me too. cont go and please continue to share
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Confused old man on March 16, 2022, 06:30:58 PM
When you truly don’t care what anyone thinks of you, you have reached a dangerously awesome level of.....FREEDOM!
Be free..be yourself 😃😃
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Busty on March 16, 2022, 09:18:04 PM
Charlie, I always enjoy your posts 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on March 16, 2022, 10:46:41 PM
Your posts on this thread have very much been on topic Charlie.  I respect you for sharing deeply held feelings with all of us.  Sometimes it feels we get boilerplate rather that honest feelings.  Acceptance is not easy and we need to be able to share our struggles and our successes.  I always appreciate what you contribute to the conversation.  We seem fortunate at the moment that the men hanging out here are open to an honest exchange.  So far as I'm concerned, you don't need to constrain yourself here.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Busty on March 17, 2022, 07:03:43 AM
I agree. The less accepting don’t seem to be around now.  Thank goodness. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Piglet on March 26, 2022, 07:08:31 PM
Hello everybody.
Haven't been here for a while because of illness, but would now like to offer the following few thoughts........
Considering the crossdressing question, applying a little cold logic might perhaps go some way towards making it seem more palatable;
First of all, Female is the 'default' position in human development. On our way to developing and becoming Male we pass through a female 'state'.  Half of humanity stop there, half go on further to become male. Being Male is actually a sort of special extension of being female. -Beyond female if you like.
From this, I would say it's only natural that many men would feel a lot of fundamental empathy towards elements of the female experience, -and the female psyche, and are drawn to the conditions it lives in from day to day.
Secondly, ladies get a lot of enjoyment and very real pleasure from their garments being so varied, bright and colourful.  I well remember one lady I met at a party and she announced that if she had to put up with wearing the dark, drab, same clothes day after day as men are expected to, she would be suicidal. Well, I can sympathise with that. It seems little wonder to me that men too might enjoy a little brightness now and again, and a change from what they normally are expected to dress in every day.
The male sartorial code is a curiously modern development. Consider the voluminous, colourful, detailed costumes that were the delight of men living in Shakespeare's time. How could we have gone from that to what we have today?
Thirdly, how about equality?  Lots of ladies are vociferous and determined when demanding rights but surely it cuts both ways. Ladies often dress openly in male garments and enjoy doing so, but it's hardly fair for those same lucky individuals to then refuse a similar experience to male members of their family. That's cherry picking, not equality. Could you imagine the outcry and anger if men suddenly started telling their wives or girlfriends they were not to dress in certain garments? 
Fourthly, it seems to me that one of the greatest problems we are having here is that we are all trying to sort out this thorny question on our own without having anyone to talk things over with, and share thoughts. Websites such as this are great, of course, but using any website is still a singular experience.
In the days just before Christmas I happened to pass through Birmingham New Street railway station and, of course, at that time of year it was heaving with people. It suddenly struck me how, in amongst all the crowds, there were quite a few young men (Asian chaps), striding about in long brown skirts. Some in groups, some alone, but all without embarrassment. They were, of course, all members of the Muslim religion and this is a very common way for them to dress. 
As I say, they were quite unembarrassed about this and I fell to wondering how it was that they were able to walk about so openly and very visibly dressed in what were effectively skirts without being the slightest bit bothered, whereas we here who contribute to this website agonise over occasionally wearing much smaller garments which are totally hidden from view.
It struck me that their secret is that everywhere they go in their daily lives, they are coming into contact with other men who are dressed the same. Not only that, but all their family members too are understanding and supportive. Nowhere are they made to feel awkward or different. 
Compare that with the experience of significant numbers of chaps putting posts on this website who are repeatedly telling us that their significant others are neither understanding nor accepting nor supportive.  
Because of this, I often think wouldn't it be great if we could somehow organise a day-long meeting or a convention and, like those Asian gentlemen, meet up with others who are the same?  That would be very therapeutic I reckon, and would go a long way towards helping everyone here to seriously appreciate that we are actually not alone in this experience in life.
-Piglet.






 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on March 27, 2022, 10:59:14 AM
You remind me of time spent in Scotland where VERY manly men will wear skirts.  They also wear gorgeous plaids with delicious patterns and colors.  Traveling in India one also finds men in long garments that are similar to skirts.  Of course, it is the Indian women who wear the dramatic garments in amazing colors.

But I think this thread is more about the reality that those of us who carry high levels of estrogen in our bodies, the estrogen that contributes to growth of breasts, also feminizes us in other ways.  Breasts often come with more voluptuous bodies and those are more easily clothed in garments designed to accommodate curves... in other words, women's clothing.  If the sensibility draws us to color and style, who would be surprised?  That too can come with hormones.  That society wants to denigrate the wearing of clothes typically used by either gender is society's problem, not the individual's.  And one doesn't have to wear a wig and put on makeup to enjoy clothes that look good and fit well.  Men here are brave simply by virtue of the fact they are willing to acknowledge nature has given them something they didn't choose, may not want, but they're willing to live with.  The fantasy of a flat chest and muscular body is just that.  We're dealing with reality... this body, these breasts.  Deep respect.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Busty on March 27, 2022, 11:57:47 AM
I have to admit that my breasts are accompanied by wider hips, rounder thighs and some booty action.  When I gain weight, it goes to those places and what one female friend calls my tummy or pooch, as in kangoroo pouch.  I think that is why women's shapewear worked for me where men's did not
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on March 27, 2022, 12:46:41 PM
Busty, that reminds me.  You never finished telling us about the Spanx store ☹️
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: aboywithgirls on March 27, 2022, 12:54:34 PM
Most men have a gut. I think a lot  of us here carry our weight in our chest, hips, tush, and thighs. In my case, I also have a bit of a tummy that my WYOB shapewear does wonders for my figure. Thank goodness for shapewear!!!

🥰👍😍
Sophie
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on March 27, 2022, 01:08:13 PM
 When I gain weight it goes to exactly the same places as it does with busty and Sophie, and women in general 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Confused old man on March 27, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
I have lost my gut pretty much do to changing my eating habits and exercise. My chest has stayed the same. Looks bigger now because my stomach is gone. My butt and thighs have gotten bigger in the last two years. Carry much more weight in my butt now. I have no answer why. I guess it’s because of my hormonal imbalance. Don’t really know. It is what it is. Just have had to change my wardrobe in the last couple of years.
I have worn women’s cowboy boots and sneakers for the last 10 years. I have a 9 1/2 B shoe size. Got really hard to find that narrow size in men’s. So I just started buying women’s size 11 in their standard size which is actually a B in men’s....perfect fit 😃. So I’m real sure it is cross dressing per say. It’s just buying clothes that fit our bodies and personality. And a lot of women’s clothing is much more comfortable for sure. And color galore.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on March 28, 2022, 06:42:47 AM
You remind me of time spent in Scotland where VERY manly men will wear skirts.  They also wear gorgeous plaids with delicious patterns and colors.  Traveling in India one also finds men in long garments that are similar to skirts.  Of course, it is the Indian women who wear the dramatic garments in amazing colors.
Isn't it amazing that in the natural world, particularly referencing birdlife, it is the male of the species that exhibits all the pretty and bold colors?
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Orb on March 28, 2022, 10:06:34 AM
I don't know how I missed this conversation over the last few weeks. A lot has been said.  I have really grown to appreciate
Charlie and his willingness to look into the past, his past, and tell of the acceptance now gained.  42C said we tend to focus on the here and now rather than the past.  I felt that to be a welcoming call to others to share the hurts of the past, share and encourage others as they in turn continue to form and shape. 
  What struck me was how the reply of 42C was taken and how through continued dialog a deeper understanding of each other emerged.  Thank you both!
  I was on FB for about 3 years, I stopped just over a year ago.  When I  started and had 30 friends I found about ten percent responded.  at 100 I still had about 10 0/0. I see the same here.  Many members, only a select few that contribute and respond enough to even care. I appreciate this small group.  It's diversity and the willingness of all to learn, grow and encourage.  The ability to SEE others is a gift.  I like being around gifted people!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: WPW717 on March 28, 2022, 04:53:35 PM
I suspect there are more here listening and learning ( like me) and remain quiet 
In the listening there is learning 

I remember early on in 7 th grade I was fascinated by feeling of fabrics that women wore, not at all like the cotton that was in our school uniforms 

I can say it has helped me paint a wider and more detailed picture of this diaspora we find ourselves in 

Finally arrived at a new point in the journey as the GP who wasn’t paying attention and wouldn’t refer to an Endo is out of the picture. Will be seeing a Urologist next week who I know pays attention 
I think I have primary hypogonadism

I think when he sees the DD breasts on me ‘ stuff ‘ will start to happen 

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on March 28, 2022, 04:58:16 PM
WPW717,

Thank you for sharing that.  As you said, you may not post much, but when you do it so helpful to the rest of us.  Good look with the urologist.  Please let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Orb on March 29, 2022, 09:19:44 AM
I suspect there are more here listening and learning ( like me) and remain quiet
In the listening there is learning

I remember early on in 7 th grade I was fascinated by feeling of fabrics that women wore, not at all like the cotton that was in our school uniforms

I can say it has helped me paint a wider and more detailed picture of this diaspora we find ourselves in

Finally arrived at a new point in the journey as the GP who wasn’t paying attention and wouldn’t refer to an Endo is out of the picture. Will be seeing a Urologist next week who I know pays attention
I think I have primary hypogonadism

I think when he sees the DD breasts on me ‘ stuff ‘ will start to happen
  Thank you for sharing.
There are many reasons many don't respond.  I have found myself editing and deleting post after I have posted them because I later felt I may have shared a bit much.  I, like many, must stop and evaluate the words I write to maintain a certain level of anonymity.  I can't wait till that doesn't matter.
I feel everyone here that post does so knowing there may not be an immediate response from the masses but do it to help others get to the place they now are.  

I liked you telling of your younger self and learning of the softer fabrics.  Sparked a memory for me.  It was similar with me.  I haven't thought about that in a long time.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: SideSet on March 29, 2022, 10:01:20 AM
Orb, I agree 100%

And I remember how I loved the silky feel of the bindings on my blankets.  And a little later, the silky feel of my mother’s panties 😘
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on March 29, 2022, 10:40:45 AM
It was a silk petticoat in the crib when I was an infant that truly messed up my journey and doubtless led to my turning to crossdressing and a fascination with lingerie when I was 12.  Silk did me in...  Gynecomastia simply amplifies the whole experience.  Hence, my preference for seamless, unpadded brassiere cups made out of silky material.  This isn't some shocking development... it goes back to the silk petticoat in my crib.  That is the journey I'm learning to accept and the reality in which I live.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: gotgyne on May 18, 2022, 05:34:42 AM
In my opinion cross dressing per se is not that somebody wears parts of clothing that are attributed to the other sex. To me there are no clothes which would belong to a man or women alone. If a soldier wears pantyhose to be protected from sand-fleas he's no crossdresser, that's for sure. If I wear medical compression stockings or pantyhose to prevent the swelling of my legs I'm no crossdresser also. So what makes the difference? In my opinion it is that someone with the help of clothing and sometimes other items (cosmectics, jewelry) wants to appear as a member of the other sex. So if I would shave my moustache, wear a wig and lipstick and so on that I look as a woman then I am a crossdresser.
But I'm a man which is clearly noticeable. And for that reason I stay a man even with a bra. No cross dressing!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on May 18, 2022, 08:22:32 AM
We keep wringing our hands over this subject, don't we?

As an A/B cupper and not suffering from any irritation or pain, I don't have to wear a bra, but I often do. As time goes on I am caring less and less about what people might think. That said, I will always remain angry at those who on the one hand say that it is okay for men to wear a bra for utalitarian reasons, then label the same men as crossdressers if they go out of their way to purchase and wear a pretty bra which makes them feel good.

I'm not having a go at you gotgyne, but for what it's worth "Wants to appear as a member of the other sex" is only one definition. If anyone could see me now, visibly in jeans and t-shirt, and unable to tell what I am wearing underneath, am I crossdressing or not? For the record I am not currently wearing a bra, but I am very comfortable in my granny panties. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Busted (and happy) on May 18, 2022, 12:22:16 PM
HI AUSIE
I know comments you are making are not emanating directly from you.
The question you are asking , I would suggest isn't worth getting down to and has caused much nit picking grief on this forum in the past.

I have recorded elsewhere  from a comfort point of view almost 100% of my clothing comes from "across the aisle" BUT  I present as unmistakably as male.
The only things people might see is the the bra outline. I don't try to let it show but I have long since stopped worrying about it.
I have Scots blood and the strangeness of folk is unbelievable - wear a kilt, no probs. Wear a denim mini skirt in hot weather (far, far cooler than shorts) and I have had a few comments!!
Some people just cannot grasp that the stew of hormones which makes us grow breast does not limit is shaping to just the chest area.

I do not want to appear female in anyway I do not hanker after heels , makeup etc. etc
I certainly have absolutely nothing in common with men who frequent websites such as crossdresser heaven.
If any ostriches around cant understand, then feel free to call me a crossdresser , but I for one will not give a ****
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on May 18, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
Thanks Busted, no probs, I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole again either. I was just commenting that it's such a gray area, that's all. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: blad on May 18, 2022, 11:16:31 PM
This discussion will never completely go away as there is too wide a spectrum of opinions. The main point on this forum I think is that if you have breasts and feel more comfortable wearing a bra then do so in confidence.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on May 19, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
One of the reasons I've been a bit uncomfortable with conversations that focus exclusively on comfort when discussing men wearing brassieres is that in most cases there is more going on than that.  It leaks out from time to time when one or another person talks about enjoying their breasts or appreciating the style of a brassiere.  I understand that those of us walking this path are confronted with a great deal of judgment, perhaps about our bodies that carry fleshy chests, perhaps with the idea of wearing an article of clothing always thought to belong to women.  I don't know how many of us actually engage in a more pronounced form of crossdressing but I wouldn't be surprised if that is happening.  But even for those of us who have no interest in presenting ourselves as women, there can be a richly textured relationship with both breasts and brassieres.  At the moment I'm wearing my favorite brassiere and a turtleneck that enhances the appearance of my breasts.  I've posted photos of that combination.  I'm quite mesmerized by my appearance in this outfit, though I have no intention of applying makeup or even leaving my home dressed like this.  This is more than utilitarian comfort.  It hints at an erotic edge.  It is all perfectly fine... no excuse, no explanation... just me being me.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: gotgyne on May 20, 2022, 12:08:55 PM
I'm not having a go at you gotgyne, but for what it's worth "Wants to appear as a member of the other sex" is only one definition. If anyone could see me now, visibly in jeans and t-shirt, and unable to tell what I am wearing underneath, am I crossdressing or not?
Aussie, to answer your question, in my opinion you're not crossdressing. But I admit, I'm using my definition of cross dressing. Why is there no crossdressing in women (with rare exceptions)? It is not, because women who wear a necktie for example are identifiable as women nevertheless. Another reason is that women have occupied over the centuries nearly all male clothes for themselves. There exists a complete opposite definition of crossdressing, which states that every piece of clothing or underwear which belongs to women is crossdressing if it wears a man. Following this definition I'd be a medical-based crossdresser with my compression stockings or pantyhose. A man who wears a bra for support would be a utilitarian-based crossdresser. But for me this makes no sense.
I value especially that all members of this forum discuss these topics without banning someone who has a dissenting opinion. A controversial discussion is necessary to see other positions and it is never a problem if it remains polite.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: gotgyne on May 20, 2022, 12:22:30 PM
At the moment I'm wearing my favorite brassiere and a turtleneck that enhances the appearance of my breasts.  I've posted photos of that combination.  I'm quite mesmerized by my appearance in this outfit, though I have no intention of applying makeup or even leaving my home dressed like this.  This is more than utilitarian comfort.  It hints at an erotic edge.  It is all perfectly fine... no excuse, no explanation... just me being me.
42CSuprise!, the bra and the turtleneck suits you perfectly.
This is me with a 38C soft cup bra with shirt (summer) and sweatshirt (winter).
(https://forum.gynecomastia.org/dlattach/topic=31591.0;attach=23710;image)
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: aboywithgirls on May 21, 2022, 06:04:16 AM
Gotgyne,
First, I think that you have a nice figure. You are wearing clothing that fits your shape. You have on a well fitted bra and the ladies tank top is well fitted and covers your bra straps with smaller arm holes that cover the band of your  bra. You are wearing clothing that fits with clothing that fits. You are simply dressing for your shape. I feel that is more important and appropriate than worrying about what department your clothing came from. 

❤️🤗Sophie 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: gotgyne on May 21, 2022, 08:52:40 AM
Thank you very much Sophie for your nice compliments,

you're completely right that I should concentrate on "clothing that fits" and not being afraid that it comes from the "wrong" department. Sometimes I get the guts to do this. I bought the ladies tank top at a boutique chain and the bra at a supermarket, both with changing rooms. At the first store I took the top to the men's changing rooms, at the supermarket the changing rooms were unisex. I read that the fashion chain Primark even installed in two English shops gender neutral changing rooms but the backlash followed immediately. It seems that this topic is highly controversial. I'd appreciate gender neutral changing rooms but can understand that women could be afraid of "Peeping Toms". On the other hand I often accompany my wife to shopping and bring her various pieces of clothing to her changing room and have never met any problems for doing so. Neither the staff nor the female customers said anything. And at the supermarket the cashier in her 60s smiled as she scanned the bra. I'm sure she knew that I bought it for myself.
Nevertheless I'm far behind your knowledge of bras and fashion styles etc. There is still a lot of work for me.

John

Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Orb on May 21, 2022, 10:04:42 AM
Gotgyne,
First, I think that you have a nice figure. You are wearing clothing that fits your shape. You have on a well fitted bra and the ladies tank top is well fitted and covers your bra straps with smaller arm holes that cover the band of your  bra. You are wearing clothing that fits with clothing that fits. You are simply dressing for your shape. I feel that is more important and appropriate than worrying about what department your clothing came from.

❤️🤗Sophie
Sophie is so right!  Everyone seeks out clothing that fits ones shape, looks good, expresses ones self and makes us feel good.
I feel the reason for the two sides of the isle is its simpler to group styles, shapes and "gender" fitting in one place.  Its also nicer for women to shop without men grabbing from the rack right next to them.  Its the shopping experience.  Holding a garment next to ones self to see how it looks...
  I went to the hardware store, needed some stainless steel screws for the boat.  was nice and easy to walk up, see the section with stainless screws, didn't have to search through the plethora of other screws to find what I needed.  

  Gotgyne,  You did what many should but haven't mustered the courage.  You look good.
I feel it's all marketing rather than gender identification.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Confused old man on May 21, 2022, 11:58:50 AM
I shop in the women’s section for sneakers and boots. Standard women’s width is a men’s B width. Hard to find men’s B width shoes. A sales woman years ago told me to shop the women’s shoes. Wow, found boots that fit! I have worn jockey NPLP panties for 20 years. I have ridden horses all my life. Cotton men’s briefs with sweating would bind and pinch and give me rashes and pimples on my back side. A barrel racer told me about the panties and how that would fix my problem because they move with you instead of binding and pinching. Then I started wearing panty hose in the cold months for riding. Both were welcome fixes to my problem. Then 17 years later I get boobs. Wow. I like western snapped or button down shirts. If I didn’t wear a oversized shirt I would get gaps wear it buttons around my chest area. And oversized shirts look sloppy!..so all my old western shirts no longer fit unless I want the gaps in the buttons. And with that you can see my bra. So off to the women’s section I went and bought shirts that fit around my boobs just as those shirts are designed to do. Is that cross dressing or finding things that fit with body changes?..whatever it is I refuse to be a sloppy dresser like a lot of older men are. So people can call me a cross dresser all they want...but I like comfort in my old age...I just bought a lace bra for the summer months..and it’s pink!...why did I buy pink?..because I can!..if I have to buy women’s clothes to fit me, then I should have some daring fun with it!😂😂😂...I think I have hit that rebellious stage of life.
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Orb on May 21, 2022, 01:43:43 PM
confused old man, I think that's awsome! 

  Crossing the isle in no way deems us cross dressers.  I would argue more fashion conscious!
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: gotgyne on May 22, 2022, 03:22:07 AM
Gotgyne,
First, I think that you have a nice figure. You are wearing clothing that fits your shape. You have on a well fitted bra and the ladies tank top is well fitted and covers your bra straps with smaller arm holes that cover the band of your  bra. You are wearing clothing that fits with clothing that fits. You are simply dressing for your shape. I feel that is more important and appropriate than worrying about what department your clothing came from.

❤️🤗Sophie
Sophie is so right!  Everyone seeks out clothing that fits ones shape, looks good, expresses ones self and makes us feel good.
I feel the reason for the two sides of the isle is its simpler to group styles, shapes and "gender" fitting in one place.  Its also nicer for women to shop without men grabbing from the rack right next to them.  Its the shopping experience.  Holding a garment next to ones self to see how it looks...
  I went to the hardware store, needed some stainless steel screws for the boat.  was nice and easy to walk up, see the section with stainless screws, didn't have to search through the plethora of other screws to find what I needed. 

  Gotgyne,  You did what many should but haven't mustered the courage.  You look good.
I feel it's all marketing rather than gender identification.
Thank you very much Orb. The problem is that I only every now and then get a "stroke of courage" but not continuously. I'd never dare to wear the white tank top with the bra underneath in public. And I havn't got a fitting at a lingerie shop yet. Some men in this forum have reached a higher level of courage, so to speak. But there is hope. As I started to wear my medical compression pantyhose in my 20s, I was very self-conscious and always wore jeans above, never shorts, even during the summer. Sometimes it was nearly unbearable. After some years at a vacation my wife spotted a man who wore nude compression pantyhose with shorts. They were so short that an inch of the top of the hose was visible. Nobody of the other tourists reacted. At that moment, around the year 2000, I started to wear compression pantyhose with shorts, at first in color nude or skin, later I became bolder and wore darker colors too. Yes, sometimes girls giggle, but I don't care. But with a bra it's a completely new thing and the work to gain courage starts again.

John
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Evolver on May 22, 2022, 07:54:16 AM
...I just bought a lace bra for the summer months..and it’s pink!...why did I buy pink?..because I can!..if I have to buy women’s clothes to fit me, then I should have some daring fun with it!😂😂😂...I think I have hit that rebellious stage of life.
I think examples like that are awesome. To me, feeling good mentally about what you are wearing is at least as important as feeling good physically. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: Dudewithboobs on May 22, 2022, 10:27:47 PM
Lol, I'm with you. I bought panties and womens jeans the other day, no real intention to, just always passed by but never looked and being here so long I guess made me think why not browse lol. Browsing lead to buying. All my bras are white, black or beige. Well the other day I went back to walmart and got me a baby blue bra, an ocean blue lace bralette, and red bra with blue stars on it for memorial day lol. I figured, my wife is never going to see these probably, and moving offices at work gives me complete privacy so they won't see it either, so why not be a bit daring. 
Title: Re: Gynecomastia and cross dressing
Post by: 42CSurprise! on May 24, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
Definitely moving beyond acceptance to enjoyment, which is not that far removed from celebration... all brought to us by elevated estrogen that produces breasts even on a body with male genitals.  Such is the world we are exploring... baby blue brassieres.  Last night I tried on a pink brassiere I'd bought many months ago that had lain in the drawer with a collection of brassieres.  It is a seamless, unlined style that really enhances the appearance of my breasts but the underwire frame is a bit heavy, so I seldom wear one of the three brassieres I have from this manufacturer.  The pink was fun, but I'm still inclined to a brassiere in nude or white.  In fact, I've put on the nude version of that heavier brassiere the last couple of days and am finding myself a bit shocked at how full my breasts appear and feel.  There definitely is an erotic edge to the experience.  I had to snap a photo...
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