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I am new to the site.  I recently (january) went on a cycle of prohormones which I was told were "safe" bc they do not cause testosterone to aromatize to estrogen.  But, sadly, I started to feel a sensation in my nipples about two months ago and have been miserable since.  The gland behind my nipple is growing out of control and it is affecting every aspect of my life.  I  had some blood tests and my estrogen levels are surprisingly normal, and my testosterone is actually a little high (in the 900 range, normal is 200-800 ish).   I am looking into gynecomastia surgery in the future when this stops....it has been going for two months and the doctors just told me to wait it out!!

I have glandular growth behind my nipples about the size of ping pong balls, and I realize that this can be excised.  As for the surround pectoral muscle/side of chest area - I have noticed a layer of tissue.  I don't believe this to be fat, but some type of breast tissue.  Not quite like the glandular tissue, but more likely a fibrous breast tissue.   It is growing on my chest and to the sides of the chest all the way up to my armpit. 

Can this "fibrous" tissue be removed via liposuction of some sort or will I be stuck with this forever?  I have searched online for every gynecomastia information site and I am still not quite sure.  Liposuction is normally used for adipose/fatty tissue, but I don't think this new layer is fat.  Please help me out!! 

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Hi everyone,

I am new to the site.  I recently (january) went on a cycle of prohormones which I was told were "safe" bc they do not cause testosterone to aromatize to estrogen.  But, sadly, I started to feel a sensation in my nipples about two months ago and have been miserable since.  The gland behind my nipple is growing out of control and it is affecting every aspect of my life.  I  had some blood tests and my estrogen levels are surprisingly normal, and my testosterone is actually a little high (in the 900 range, normal is 200-800 ish).   I am looking into gynecomastia surgery in the future when this stops....it has been going for two months and the doctors just told me to wait it out!!

I have glandular growth behind my nipples about the size of ping pong balls, and I realize that this can be excised.  As for the surround pectoral muscle/side of chest area - I have noticed a layer of tissue.  I don't believe this to be fat, but some type of breast tissue.  Not quite like the glandular tissue, but more likely a fibrous breast tissue.   It is growing on my chest and to the sides of the chest all the way up to my armpit. 

Can this "fibrous" tissue be removed via liposuction of some sort or will I be stuck with this forever?  I have searched online for every gynecomastia information site and I am still not quite sure.  Liposuction is normally used for adipose/fatty tissue, but I don't think this new layer is fat.  Please help me out!! 

Prohormones are unregulated powerful substances that just too many people are finding out the dangers of using. Just why the FDA is not regulating them, is beyond my understanding. Herbs, plants, and other "natural" items have been used as medications for years. The Digitalis plant has been used for centuries, it is just not refined and has unregulated strength of the drug.

I have seen many many patients over the years complain about the tenderness, discomfort, and breast growth that just would not go away after stopping the "over the counter" pills. Medical treatment of gynecomastia works only on the swollen phase of gland stimulation by blocking the effects of the stimulating hormones. Once this swelling subsides, there seems to be little effect of medical management unless there is an underlying problem. The human hormone system is in a delicate balance that can be thrown out of kilter. Sometimes it can recover on its own. Other times, patients stop the stimulating agent and the tenderness and growth persists. If tenderness, growth, nipple discharge or other Symptoms of Gynecomastia Growth continue, I ask my patients to have an evaluation by an experienced Endocrinologist. I have even seen patients who after cycling with self medication have untreatable continued breast growth. One particular patient had already had 2 major breast reductions by other doctors and regrew massive breasts after each operation. His endocrine system could not be reset, several endocrinologists were unable to find anything to change.

I prefer to operate on a stable problem whenever possible. If the breasts have stopped growing, are not tender, then surgery is an option. Otherwise you are risking breast regrowth.

I work with many Bodybuilders with Gynecomastia. While bodybuilding is great for shaping muscle, it will not help with gland. One common complaint is as they build muscle, what sits on top of the muscle just gets pushed further out.

No Surgery Body Shaping Compression Garments are a great temporizing measure. They can give an instant contour improvement as soon as you put one on. The problem is, once removed, the original problem remains. However, as an emotional band-aide they are spectacular. You should see the expressions on patients in my office trying one on! Some use it while their problems are stabilizing. Others use the garments until they can afford the operation.

Liposuction Is Great for Sculpting Fat

Various types of ultrasonic and power assisted liposuction (UAL and PAL) have been around for quite some time.  Each surgeon uses the tools and techniques he / she prefers.

There are studies claiming that ultrasonic liposuction does not break down gland cells, these were done to justify the safety in female liposuction breast reduction surgery.  Ultrasonic energy cannot be both ways, good for gland breakdown and safe not harming gland unless there is a difference between male and female breast gland tissue which has not been proven to my knowledge.

Tumescent liposuction is a form of anesthesia where fluid is placed in the tissues to be sculpted.  You can see very graphic pictures of the tumecent technique here.

Liposuction such as ultrasonic, VASER, power assisted, and sharp cutting cannula preferentially remove fat over gland.  Gland tends to exist under the nipple areola region.  When fingers of fat extend between fingers of gland, breast reduction can come from removing the fat and leaving gland behind.  On animation such as flexing the pectoral muscles or putting the arms over head, gland does not compress or move like fat.

When gynecomastia is from fat, liposuction works very well for contouring the chest.  I have seen many patients from other doctors who tried to use liposuction alone techniques that left gland behind that the patients just did not like for Revision Gynecomastia Chest Sculpture.

Here is an example of Revision Surgery after Liposuction alone.   

Here is another revision after liposuction alone.

I have seen just too many unhappy patients with puffy nipples remaining after axilla or armpit attempts alone using sharp cutting cannula or other such instruments by other doctors.  Check out this drawing of Puffy Nipple Anatomy after Remote Gland Removal Drawing.

The problem is picking the right method for what actually is that patient's problem.  That is why I prefer my Dynamic Technique that permits what I find during surgery to guide my sculpture.  The incision at the edge of the areola  opens up my entire spectrum of artist's pallet of tools for my sculpture.  A remote incision robs me of many options and just does not looks as nice.  I prefer to avoid this unnecessary additional scar.

I have also seen patients with channel problems between remote access sites and the areola / nipple.  Scars, adhesion, and depressions can look terrible.  Check out the lateral (side views) and posterior oblique (side from the back views with and without muscle flexing here to see what I mean.

Ultrasonic liposuction uses energy to help emulsify fat.  Power assisted liposuction uses mechanical vibrating devices to rapidly move the cannula back and forth.  Both PAL and Ultrasonic methods have been around for several years.  Many do not prefer what they do to the tissue.  Others like what they offer.  Both still preferentially remove fat over gland.  Both make the work of the surgeon easier.  Some feel ultrasonic liposuction can cause more swelling, bruising, and the increase the need for drains.

For a liposuction cannula to remove gland, it can also remove connective tissue and other structures which can lead to more bruising and scars.  I have seen so many patients who were unhappy from doctors that used "special cannula to remove gland," that I just prefer to go directly to the problem itself.  Primary surgery is usually better than needing a revision.  All male breasts have gland.  With access to the gland directly, I can peel it off the areola muscle, minimize bruising and bleeding with direct control of the tiny blood vessels, and then reconstruct the contour.

For me however, they also both remove the feel of the tissue sculpture.  I like the much better control I get with my cannula selection and personally I do not like either ultrasonic nor power assisted techniques.  None of the cases on my website used either PAL, Ultrasonic, nor sharp cutting cannula techniques. 

As any artist, I take my cannula selection very seriously and have evolved what permits me to achieve my results.  I have considered and evaluated many, many technologies.  The many different types of cannula I use have their own advantages and qualities.  I pick a subset of these cannula that varies for the many different types of gynecomastia male chest sculpture that I see.

Gland removal by any technique can still leave a depression when  a major part of the problem is from gland.  For gland removal, I prefer the greater precision of removal under direct visualization and feel.  This also give me access to many more elements for my artistic palette of my Dynamic Technique to sculpt the remaining tissues.

This approach permits me to maximize the removal of the firm gland and sculpt the remaining fat.  How tissues move is important.  The human body is beautiful in animation.  That is why I show pictures of the chest with arms up, down, and with muscles tight / relaxed in addition to the results from multiple views.  Such analysis of the results as well as how tissues evolve, the possible need for drains, comfort level after surgery, are important factors in picking your doctor.  It is like an artist selecting a paint brush.  The results are what matters, not with what tool they sculpt.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
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Thank you for that, but my question still remains. 

The extra tissue that I have has grown quite a bit and has formed a layer on my chest and under my arms.   I don't think this is fat..but what type of tissue is this?  And can it be removed?

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A very simple explanation for you is that when breast tissue is stimulated in some way by hormones, it enlarges -- and not simply directly under the areola.  There are finger-like extensions of breast tissue which intertwine with layers of fat -- and they are located across the chest.

You are not a candidate for surgery until your condition has stabilized and no growth has been apparent. Would then advise you to visit at least several experienced gyne surgeons for their opinions -- and then choose the surgeon with whom you re most comfortable and confident.  There are several acceptable methods for treatment, not just one technique.

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Thank you for that, but my question still remains. 

The extra tissue that I have has grown quite a bit and has formed a layer on my chest and under my arms.   I don't think this is fat..but what type of tissue is this?  And can it be removed?

A hormone imbalance stimulates gland cells to swell and seems to convert other cells to gland extending finger like through the fat as you can see in this Anatomy of Gynecomastia Drawing. Clinical Examination of the Male Chest or just feeling the tissue alone is not enough to distinguish fat from gland. Although gland tends to be firm and fat soft, fat can be firm and gland soft.

Remove the stimulation, stabilize the problem and swelling can go down. When stimulation is stopped soon enough and swelling goes down, the contour may be fine without intervention. If all men with gland swelling such as from puberty jumped into surgery before waiting until the issue resolved, there would be a massive amount of unnecessary surgery. With puberty, what has not resolved by 2 years will not. With cycles, the time frame is usually shorter. Once the problem is stabilized, surgical options exist whether the contour problem is from gland or fat.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
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Thank you for your input again. 

What types of surgical methods are available for these breasty tissue "fingers" that are growing on and around my chest?  Can liposuction suck up this tissue?

Please be specific.

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Standard liposuction instruments (cannulas) can only remove fat-- not breast tissue.  In order to be able to remove breast tissue as well as fat, you must use a more aggressive cannula.  I have designed such a cannula and it is very successful in removing breast tissue as well as fat.  It works so well that in about 40% of my patients, I can do the entire procedure through a tiny nick in the skin on the side of the chest -- and need not make an incision around the edge of the areola (a peri-areolar incision).

Unfortunately, when it runs up against rock-solid type of breast tissue, it will not perform adequately -- and then I proceed with a peri-areolar incision.  But for roughly 40% of my patients, I have saved them an extra incision.

There are many men who have mentioned my success with this method on this site -- it does work.  There are also some docs on this site who don't believe it -- pity.

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Dr Jacobs,

This more "aggressive" cannula - what makes it more aggressive?  Stronger suction power or?  or is it smaller, more like a microcannula?

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The tip design is sharper -- more like the prow of a ship that can forge thru water.  And the side ports are also sharp.

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Dr. Jacobs,

Thank you very much.  I have heard of these types of cannulas while researching.  If I pinch my chest around the top of it (away from nipple) as well as under my armpit area, I can grab about an inch in thickness of skin/tissue.  It's not an extremely large amount, but it has been playing a large part in my life psychologically.  How much is too much for these cannulas?  As in, from my description does it sound as if you would be able to remove most of the tissue if its uniform throughout and not too thick? 


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There is an art to performing this operation.  After the operation, one wants to have a uniform thin pinch of skin and underlying fat, from the collarbone down to the lower ribs.  That is my goal on every operation. Leave too much and you haven't done the job; leave too little and you risk irregular contours.

In addition, one must guard against being too thin or risk the possibility that the skin may attach down to the muscle itself, resulting in dimpling, adherence, cratering, etc.

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Dr Jacobs,
Yes I believe that!  I just have noticed in the past two months that my chest has definitely formed a thin layer of breast tissue..and it's very psychologically damaging.  When this finally stops (I am praying everyday :( ) I will definitely look into this.  How much is the avg cost for an operation at your office?  You can PM me if you would like. 

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If you send me your name and real email addy via a PM, I will be pleased to provide lots of info to you.

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Thanks a lot!

Anybody else have this type of breast tissue?  A thin layer formed on the chest and to the side of the chest.


 

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