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Offline betteroffbefore

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Hi,

It has been two years since my operation and my chest is deformed thanks to this op.

I wish I had either.

a) not bothered, I would take my shirt off at a push before but not any more. What's worse than gyne? A butchered gyne operation that looks un-natural.

b) went with levick or karidis. Unfortunately I wanted it as soon as I could and read glowing reports of a few on here which I am now very suspicious of.

The problem is she took far too much fat out of one side and the other, but left the right side with remaining gland above the over lipo'd lower area. I'm lop sided and creased to hell. I still get pains in and around my chest 2+ years on. excellent.

The "drain" scars are still very evident too, what dr puts in drains then takes them straight out. Then asks you to remove the fluid build up yourself with a needle? This isn't just me the other lad who had his done at the same time had exactly the same and bad results too.

The place was clean but Jeremy came across as a cowboy desperate for money at times. The ultrasound place was a new place they were using, and they were bickering with staff when I was there. Great.

I have since been to see karadis to see if anything can be done, he is not sure. This has depressed me for the last two years and dare I say it ruined many things for me.

Word to the wise be careful! pay for the best you can afford even if you have to wait do not make the same mistake I did.

They also told me oh wait 12 months for a final result etc etc. it is now over 2 years. look in the uk section and see how most look after a few months!

She is a nice person but I wish I had never went there for my op.


Offline Supersonic123

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Would you please post some before and after photos of you chest?
« Last Edit: May 15, 2013, 01:11:09 PM by Supersonic123 »

Offline puffynipplesdrivemecrazy

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Same here too please. Pictures would prove alot.

How bad was your condition to start with?

Offline wezzer

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Yeah I would defo like to see some before and after photos as I'm going to get mine done next month

Offline Alchemist

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Hi,

It has been two years since my operation and my chest is deformed thanks to this op.

I wish I had either.

a) not bothered, I would take my shirt off at a push before but not any more. What's worse than gyne? A butchered gyne operation that looks un-natural.

b) went with levick or karidis. Unfortunately I wanted it as soon as I could and read glowing reports of a few on here which I am now very suspicious of.

The problem is she took far too much fat out of one side and the other, but left the right side with remaining gland above the over lipo'd lower area. I'm lop sided and creased to hell. I still get pains in and around my chest 2+ years on. excellent.

The "drain" scars are still very evident too, what dr puts in drains then takes them straight out. Then asks you to remove the fluid build up yourself with a needle? This isn't just me the other lad who had his done at the same time had exactly the same and bad results too.

The place was clean but Jeremy came across as a cowboy desperate for money at times. The ultrasound place was a new place they were using, and they were bickering with staff when I was there. Great.

I have since been to see karadis to see if anything can be done, he is not sure. This has depressed me for the last two years and dare I say it ruined many things for me.

Word to the wise be careful! pay for the best you can afford even if you have to wait do not make the same mistake I did.

They also told me oh wait 12 months for a final result etc etc. it is now over 2 years. look in the uk section and see how most look after a few months!

She is a nice person but I wish I had never went there for my op.



Hi Betteroffbefore,

That is sad to hear.  I worked as a systems analyst in group health for most of my working life. Results can vary tremendously by who does a surgery.  Some are simply far superior to others for all sorts of reasons and sometimes even the best have less than great results.  With so relatively few of these surgeries done it is difficult to get a good feel for what the outcomes curve looks like.

One can assume that for any given doc there is a curve going from total horror show to poor, fair, good, excellent and really great. 

At what percentage risk of unfavorable outcome would you have said "no"; 1%? 5%? 20%? 50%?. 


As the judgement here is not only on medical outcomes but on aesthetic outcomes, it's possible to have an absolutely perfect surgery and healing with an outcome the patient hadn't pictured as aesthetically satisfying. 

Within my immediate family for surgeries of multiple varieties over 65 years out of perhaps 15 procedures there was one horror show (the most recent surgery), one pretty bad, 4 or 5 that didn't go as expected, speed bumps as it were, things worked out in the end but aesthetics were not a consideration and the way was much rougher than expected, and the rest were "routine" and worked out as well or in a couple of surgeries, better, than expected.  These were all done by board certified specialists and sub specialty surgeons, selected carefully by people all in one part of the medical business or another including MDs, hospital administrator, consultants, HMO General manager and sitting on the Ambulatory Care standards committee of the Hospital Accreditation board.  If we as individuals and group got this type of results, what kind can the person off the street have?



So, has my family been the subject of a lot of bad selection of surgeons or did we get a pretty typical results or did we get better than average results?  There were no doctors we went to for whom we had all the info as in being able to review 10 years of claims by any of them.  They were not in the groups we consulted for so we had no actual inside information.

Even if surgery might be a good risk for me (it isn't), past family experience indicates to me that completely satisfactory outcomes are likely less than half the time, and with aesthetics thrown in probably less than that.

I have seen, as a nudist, lots of women post breast surgery.  One woman who had a breast reduction had such a poor butcher job aesthetically that she ended up with something like PTSD and will NEVER show her breasts in a locker room much less skinny dipping. 

On the breast reconstructions after cancer surgery, some are done pretty well, NONE of them look natural from across the pool much less up close and personal.  And then of course there are the scars.  A modest number choose no reconstruction at all and they appear more comfortable that way than with a poor reconstruction.

At a nudist club nobody really notices natural breasts, male or female.  They are all over the place.  However, private comments like "Oh that poor woman with such a poor reconstruction" and similar things about a lot of scars are made, and even discussed amongst friends, surgeons compared and all that.  It's like any other group playing games like "Operation" and "mine is worse than yours, such a doctor...".

With a pair of D-cups, I have overheard one remark in a nudist situation "It must be a glandular problem" in 45 years.  It wasn't a problem.  It's an obvious truth.  It didn't matter to the elderly couple, his wife was explaining it to her hard of hearing hubby.

A botched operation would be seen and ignored as well, but is much more noticeable.

Best of luck in getting things corrected.


Offline jeremyclarkmel

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Response from Jeremy Clark:

Dear Betteroffbefore,

We are sorry to hear about your experiences. As we wish to help all of our patients please contact us as soon as possible. There are several ways to correct unsatisfactory result after gynecomastia removal eg. fat transfer, scar correction etc.

Of some importance is that the Consultant Surgeon who did the initial operation, and therefore who knows something about the details of the operation, will be able to assess what can be done.

As this situation is somewhat of a surprise to us, we of course will offer a correction free-of-charge.

Please contact us at your earliest convenience.

Yours sincerely,

Jeremy Clark

Offline puffynipplesdrivemecrazy

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Any chance you can upload the pictures mate?

We are well aware of people scamming good surgeons on here because they are charging a lot less.

Without the lack of photos I find your story not credible, especially after so many positive reviews.

Hi,

It has been two years since my operation and my chest is deformed thanks to this op.

I wish I had either.

a) not bothered, I would take my shirt off at a push before but not any more. What's worse than gyne? A butchered gyne operation that looks un-natural.

b) went with levick or karidis. Unfortunately I wanted it as soon as I could and read glowing reports of a few on here which I am now very suspicious of.

The problem is she took far too much fat out of one side and the other, but left the right side with remaining gland above the over lipo'd lower area. I'm lop sided and creased to hell. I still get pains in and around my chest 2+ years on. excellent.

The "drain" scars are still very evident too, what dr puts in drains then takes them straight out. Then asks you to remove the fluid build up yourself with a needle? This isn't just me the other lad who had his done at the same time had exactly the same and bad results too.

The place was clean but Jeremy came across as a cowboy desperate for money at times. The ultrasound place was a new place they were using, and they were bickering with staff when I was there. Great.

I have since been to see karadis to see if anything can be done, he is not sure. This has depressed me for the last two years and dare I say it ruined many things for me.

Word to the wise be careful! pay for the best you can afford even if you have to wait do not make the same mistake I did.

They also told me oh wait 12 months for a final result etc etc. it is now over 2 years. look in the uk section and see how most look after a few months!

She is a nice person but I wish I had never went there for my op.



Offline betteroffbefore

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Thank you for the offer Jeremy I will keep that in mind. I'm quite hesitant at this stage and would like to weigh up all of my options before doing anything. I need to be 100% I'm doing the right thing I wont be doing another surgery after this revision.

I do have some questions though, you mention fat replacement what method of replacing the fat will be used? I am yet to hear of a successful case of fat injections been used only fat from the surrounding areas with a blood supply, like a flap technique (Dr Bermant showed several expert revisions on his site and seemed to be the authority on this). The injected fat often dies and solidifies. Does Dr Clark have experience of this flap technique?

How many revisions has Dr Clark performed on her or others work?

For the people who think my story is suspicious, please do what you want I'm not here to convince anybody. My case wasn't too bad I posted on here before my surgery and after a thread which I requested to be re moved as I was depressed over the outcome. Don't have blinkers on like I did I had tunnel vision and severe confirmation bias because I wanted rid of the gyne so bad.

I will post before and after pictures when I decide how I plan to get it corrected, at the moment the last thing I need for my own state of mind is for people saying how much of a mess it is.


I went to the docs after the op and was diagnosed as depressed, now that's permanently on my medical record. I cant do certain jobs which check your medical history for this the opportunity to work off shore is now null & void for me.

I wont go swimming at all, I try not to look at my chest in the mirror as it gets me down. To give you an idea of the things this has ruined for our families are all going on holiday in a few months a huge villa with a pool, guess who had to say I have to work. My mates stag away guess who is sat at home, my other mates wedding abroad guess who avoided it because of everyone sun bathing sitting round the pool and staying in the same hotel. Invited on holiday abroad with friends, nope. I could go on.

Ok. maybe you feel the same with your gyne. But whats worse someone jokingly pointing out your "man boobs" which many men have. Or trying to explain an uneven scarred up mess of a chest, where one nipple points down. and both have a crater deformity. Oh and did I mention the shooting pains and discomfort and symmetrical lipo scars?

I would rather have gyne at least I didn't do that to myself. I kick myself for my own vanity been the cause of this and wonder if my previous obsession with the shape of my chest was actually founded.

I suppose all of that doesn't matter now because of the situation I find myself in.

Offline puffynipplesdrivemecrazy

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Please dont think we will say its a mess etc etc. We all know what Gyne is like to live with so making fun out of something is distasteful.

I would like to see your photos so I can completely believe your posts. Also I am due for surgery very shortly and with your help it could change my mind and reconsider who to go with. I am also concerned regarding flat grafts and wonder why Dr O does not preform this at time of operation.

Also how bad was your Gyne before? Would the results of been the same with another surgeon?

On top of all this, she has also some amazing reviews. So I really dont know what to believe yet.

Thank you for the offer Jeremy I will keep that in mind. I'm quite hesitant at this stage and would like to weigh up all of my options before doing anything. I need to be 100% I'm doing the right thing I wont be doing another surgery after this revision.

I do have some questions though, you mention fat replacement what method of replacing the fat will be used? I am yet to hear of a successful case of fat injections been used only fat from the surrounding areas with a blood supply, like a flap technique (Dr Bermant showed several expert revisions on his site and seemed to be the authority on this). The injected fat often dies and solidifies. Does Dr Clark have experience of this flap technique?

How many revisions has Dr Clark performed on her or others work?

For the people who think my story is suspicious, please do what you want I'm not here to convince anybody. My case wasn't too bad I posted on here before my surgery and after a thread which I requested to be re moved as I was depressed over the outcome. Don't have blinkers on like I did I had tunnel vision and severe confirmation bias because I wanted rid of the gyne so bad.

I will post before and after pictures when I decide how I plan to get it corrected, at the moment the last thing I need for my own state of mind is for people saying how much of a mess it is.


I went to the docs after the op and was diagnosed as depressed, now that's permanently on my medical record. I cant do certain jobs which check your medical history for this the opportunity to work off shore is now null & void for me.

I wont go swimming at all, I try not to look at my chest in the mirror as it gets me down. To give you an idea of the things this has ruined for our families are all going on holiday in a few months a huge villa with a pool, guess who had to say I have to work. My mates stag away guess who is sat at home, my other mates wedding abroad guess who avoided it because of everyone sun bathing sitting round the pool and staying in the same hotel. Invited on holiday abroad with friends, nope. I could go on.

Ok. maybe you feel the same with your gyne. But whats worse someone jokingly pointing out your "man boobs" which many men have. Or trying to explain an uneven scarred up mess of a chest, where one nipple points down. and both have a crater deformity. Oh and did I mention the shooting pains and discomfort and symmetrical lipo scars?

I would rather have gyne at least I didn't do that to myself. I kick myself for my own vanity been the cause of this and wonder if my previous obsession with the shape of my chest was actually founded.

I suppose all of that doesn't matter now because of the situation I find myself in.

Offline CJC85

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I'm just bumping this incase you get a email that a reply has been made so I can see how your doing? I'm in exactly the same boat as you, I'm depressed and wish I'd never had it done. If pretty much come to the conclusion I'll never take my daughter swimming or on holiday again, like you say gyne can be shown but a deformed chest stays covered up.
I wish I'd of seen this sooner as  I also had to pay half price again for revision! (Lipo only, which solved nothing) & Jeremy offered you free of charge! I'm also told I have to wait 14 months before emailing for a revision. I have a appointment with dr levick to see if theirs anything that can be done to save my chest, I just want to look normal again. 


 

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