Gynecomastia Support Forum
General => Gynecomastia Talk => Topic started by: taxmapper on November 21, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
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I've talked about this before, but over the weekend some interesting indicators were brought to my attention through an unusual reason.
Because of the current political and military malfeasance taking place, I have put myself to concentrate on first aid, and other aspects for my own purposes.
During my reading this weekend a point I did not know before: That men's ring fingers are typically (though not universally) longer than their index finger and visa versa for women. But with women, the index is usually either longer or the same length.
(Again, not a universal thing.)
So out of curiosity I measured mine.
Both of my index fingers are the same length as my ring finger.
Another facet: Though I have some fatty tissue and muscle tissue like anyone else, I don't have a brow ridge on my skull.
Nor do I have a showing Adams apple.
As stated before there are other physical aspects, and unusual going ons when I joined the Army in 86. (Like the multiple blood tests they kept taking and never told me the results.)
When I was promptly booted (EPTS ( Evident Prior To Service)) out 36 days later; the folder that had my info had conveniently disappeared. I never saw any of the data.
My pronation of my feet to the outside, the weird arch shape (which causes an unusual flat foot condition), and the fact that I can lobster claw with my big toe and hold things quite well thank you very much with my feet, along with the ability to pick things up with my toes; though not a smoking gun, still points to that possibility of androgyny.
Again, not a smoking gun, but this is telling me that the boobs are more than simply natural testosterone drops.
Has anyone else experience such?
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My ring fingers are shorter than my index finger... I don't have a pronounced Adam's apple or brow. My body has always been a bit soft and curvaceous. I have very little body hair... virtually none on my legs. Whatever that means, I think it is obvious that as with gender, we're all at unique points on a continuum. That will doubtless be the product of heredity, socialization and hormonal shifts that happen naturally in our bodies... unless of course we are committed to moving the process along.
I'm not about to shave my beard or present myself as a woman, but there is no denying the breasts filling the rather substantial cups of the brassiere I'm wearing at the moment. As a man whose hormonal constitution leans toward the feminine, I don't feel a need to argue with Mother Nature. That is why I spend most of my time here on the Acceptance side of the site... with men who are coming to terms with the reality they encounter. A term like "androgyny" can be helpful for those of us choosing not to transition. I can keep my beard and enjoy my breasts... How about that?!
Glad I found other men who are exploring their own relationship with having breasts instead of flat chests.
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I can compare everything written above with myself. My index fingers are slightly larger than my ring fingers on both hands. Adam's apple is not noticeable, I have little hair on my body, that is, I am almost hairless on my chest. I have a beard, but it is not thick, the mustache is quite rare. The body structure is not male. I have narrow shoulders, wider hips. I have a weaker muscular build. Ten years ago, I regularly went to the gym, took care of my diet. But there was no result. My strength did not increase nor did I gain muscle. This threw me into frustration, because the effort was in vain. I also have flat feet. Gynecomastia has been present for more than 20 years, but in the last two years my breasts have developed a lot. I decided to stop changing and finally accepted myself as I am. I took regular pictures on a monthly basis to track my progress when I went to the gym. These are pictures from 2006 and 2010. You can see the contours of the breasts, even though the gynecomastia was quite small. The resolution of the images is weak, because there were no stronger cameras at that time.
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I can compare everything written above with myself. My index fingers are slightly larger than my ring fingers on both hands. Adam's apple is not noticeable, I have little hair on my body, that is, I am almost hairless on my chest. I have a beard, but it is not thick, the mustache is quite rare. The body structure is not male. I have narrow shoulders, wider hips. I have a weaker muscular build. Ten years ago, I regularly went to the gym, took care of my diet. But there was no result. My strength did not increase nor did I gain muscle. This threw me into frustration, because the effort was in vain. I also have flat feet. Gynecomastia has been present for more than 20 years, but in the last two years my breasts have developed a lot. I decided to stop changing and finally accepted myself as I am. I took regular pictures on a monthly basis to track my progress when I went to the gym. These are pictures from 2006 and 2010. You can see the contours of the breasts, even though the gynecomastia was quite small. The resolution of the images is weak, because there were no stronger cameras at that time.
You clearly have what appears to either be Klinefelter's, or another form of androgyny, because your waist line cuts above your navel.
Similar to you I have a navel that is near the same location, but COVID weight hides it right now.
Its an odd feeling to have this and realize that you are in this place.
As for hair, I can get nasty hairy legs that I shave because of the nasty ingrown hairs and pimples I get. Very painful.
As for chest hair, very little for me except peach fuzz of sorts. I don't try to grow the mustache or beard because I look worse than goofy.
Other half I think is finally realizing I am not going to be her Viking god she wanted. More like a arse ugly shield maiden.
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I suspected Klinefelter's syndrome. However, I had my hormones removed last year and they were at normal levels. If my LH and FSH were elevated, above normal, and testosterone below normal, then he would be convinced that it was Klinefelter. Although doctors agree that regardless of the normal values of the mentioned hormones, only a karyotype test can confirm this syndrome.
No one in the family has such a physique, neither on the mother's side nor on the father's side. But it has confusing characteristics. Neither side is too hairy, my grandfather had gynecomastia, and his son, that is, my father, also has it. However, it appeared to them only in the late years, which is in a way a normal phenomenon in those years. I looked at their pictures from their younger days and they didn't have gynecomastia then. I recently turned 49, and I noticed gynecomastia 20 years ago. It is definitely a form of androgyny in my case.
The endocrinologist recently told me that my body is sensitive to estrogen and that I should get a karyotype test. Maybe I will one day.
I had complexes and was planning to have an operation. But when a person accepts himself, then these things are no longer important :)
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very interesting. I checked my fingers and they are the same lenght
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My fingers are the same length also.
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for anyone reading this thread without really grasping the whole finger thing... read this:
https://phys.org/news/2011-09-men-fingers-longer-index.html
it also falls into play that the "hormones in-vitro" are part in part to us having the girls.
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for anyone reading this thread without really grasping the whole finger thing... read this:
https://phys.org/news/2011-09-men-fingers-longer-index.html
it also falls into play that the "hormones in-vitro" are part in part to us having the girls.
I had also read inan article that for women there navel is below the waist. mine is above. if you look at any lingerie ads you will see that is so
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Great thread!
My mom used to say I should have been a girl because I was short, had the ass, legs and feet of a girl and she even went so far as to illustrate it by her telling me to stand feet together and showing me that my calves just touch (her measure of a perfect model's legs) my feet point straight out and my toes are small and girly. Oh, if it's any indicator my ring fingers are shorter than the index, my smallish feet are men's size 6 1/2 to 7.
I've always been drawn to an androgynous even totally female style of dress, partially due to the fact I'm 5'3" and women's pants and tee shirts fit better off the rack without tailoring, and shoes like sneakers, moccasins etc. are unobtanium in my size at the men's stores and now I mostly wear women's flat or very low heeled shoes.
Add to this I've ALWAYS disliked my body hair and envied Asian, Native American, Scandinavians and even many Hispanic men who are either completely or mostly hairless.
So, I guess I've been aware of my physically androgynous body and now that my gyne has erupted my body hair is lighter, thinner, and my legs are now nearly free of hair over the last year.
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My ring finger is longer than my index finger, if my palm is down. If my palm is up, my index finger is longer than my ring finger.
No wonder I'm confused! LOL
Ed
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Anyone here notice any other changes with gyno?
My legs have changed drastically:
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Anyone here notice any other changes with gyno?
My legs have changed drastically:
Yes, my body has lost it's muscle tone. My legs as well as my entire body are very soft.
Joni
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Yup…. As per my previous pics, Im getting a VERY SLOW fat redistribution.
Legs are starting to get that frontal curve to them.
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Moobzie, JoniDee, taxmapper - you guys have described perfectly what happens to the male body when hormones levels are out of whack. I have done far too much research over the last year or so about the expected physical effects of hormone therapy on my body which I expect to start next year for medical purposes, depending on test results. Soft skin, body fat redistribution, gynecomastia, muscle loss, thinning body hair, etc. etc., I've known about for a long time. For me, I can only speculate.
There are several other changes that you guys are probably already aware of that might affect y'all depending on your actual hormone levels, but some of the unpleasant side effects only seem to affect those with low E levels. This is something that I will probably have to deal with too, because my E will be killed off with my T. Interestingly, the best way to deal with these unpleasant side effects (hot flashes in particular) is to take an estrogen supplement. Combined with my proposed T-blocker this would, in effect, put me on the same drug regime as folk in some countries like the U.K. take to transition. Interesting times ahead!
Sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to make this about me; it's not intentional. Just letting y'all know that even though I'm not experiencing any dramatic physical involuntary feminization yet, I understand it.
By the way Moobzie - nice pins! ;D
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My interest in this grows for many reasons other than physical.
Because of my curious nature and desire to be better informed, I started reading books on various esoteric knowledge that few seem interested in. but books written on the subject and various cultures that were physically written in the 1900's and 1910's and earlier make statements (although from a distinct Euro-Anglo point of view) that talks about androgyny in history, religion and belief systems.
Learning about the six genders of Judaism, and the hermaphroditical aspects of various figures like Hermes (AKA Thoth in Egypt) and other figures like Hr m-Akht, (Horus) (mostly considered to be mythological) or stories about people like the Machlyes, and terms like the Mexican Xōchihuah, "One who possesses aspect of a woman" and Patlacheh "one who possesses aspect of a male" still speaks to the recognition of this situation.
To say being deprived is an understatement for sure.
Me thinks that the modern culture which has been described as a Victorian Era whitewash of history and strict rules of defined superiority of a specific nature may be partially to blame on this and is being systematically torn apart.
I am also of the opinion that this may only be the opening of a long closed door; to use a metaphor.
Just sayin….
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So another interesting aspect started.
I wont rehash the whole story, just that I wound up purchasing a pair of women's boots with a 2 inch heel.
That I discovered lifted by backside like what is suppose to happen and deep rooted lumbar pain went away.
the other half looked at my butt and said that it was lifted slightly and looked a bit more prominent.
All I know is that the lumbar pain and the arch pain I have experienced for years went away.
IDK.
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I will try that. It might save me a trip to the chiropractor even month.👍
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My ring and index fingers are the same length. I was a preemie baby (7 months).
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My ring fingers are noticeably longer than my index fingers. This makes me a 100 per cent male. But my feeling some years ago was 60 per cent male, 40 per cent female. Meanwhile it could be 60 to 70 per cent female and only 30 to 40 per cent male. Heck with the finger test!
John
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As I have grown and gotten to know myself, I realized that I was / am a woman. Not because of my breasts but, because of my brain.
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As I have grown and gotten to know myself, I realized that I was / am a woman. Not because of my breasts but, because of my brain.
I have always maintained that the wiring is as different as the plumbing. Women are running different software.
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Well one thing that is haunting me again is acne.
I have been breaking out in weird places and I feel like I am 17 again.
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Been happening to me also. Asked my doctor about it and he said just happens with hormone imbalance. Told my wife I understand now what she went through with menopause. Hormones do crazy things to the mind and body.
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Now I DEFINATLY know something is going on!
Last night I went to take my shower and while soaping up, I experienced something I have NEVER IN MY LIFE had...
A near total body orgasm.
I was literally squirming in the shower.
yes I know TMI for some folks, but what it means is that the hormones are affecting me in a unexpected way.
I suddenly had eroginous zones in places I never had eroginous zones before!
Not freaked out or alarmed, but more aware now. Its weird!
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for anyone reading this thread without really grasping the whole finger thing... read this:
https://phys.org/news/2011-09-men-fingers-longer-index.html
it also falls into play that the "hormones in-vitro" are part in part to us having the girls.
Interesting, mine are of equal size.
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for anyone reading this thread without really grasping the whole finger thing... read this:
https://phys.org/news/2011-09-men-fingers-longer-index.html
it also falls into play that the "hormones in-vitro" are part in part to us having the girls.
I had also read inan article that for women there navel is below the waist. mine is above. if you look at any lingerie ads you will see that is so
My navel is below the natural waist line. But I have always had very female looking waist and hips.
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This reminds me of a few days ago an employee at the center I attend had a discussion about "body fat distribution", and how I have gained weight in places where usually only women gain.
All my weight is in the chest, hips, and thighs pretty much. I still maintain a very much hourglass figure for being grossly overweight.
She brought up the fact that I have facial hair, and that kind of disproved her theory about me, until I told her that I didn't have any facial hair at all until a doctor gave me testosterone therapy for 2 years when I was about 20. That caused immediate facial hair growth. I did shave off my beard as I noticed I was loosing lots of facial hairs.
My navel is about 3" below my waistline. And my index finger and ring finger are almost the same length, maybe ring finger slightly longer. My physical appearance is quite feminine in regards to shape, skin, lips, eyes, etc...
Boobs have been around since my teens. As was the broad hips and ass. A source of constant teasing in school.
The 6 genders in Judaism at least fully describe my predicament as one of them fits like a glove. "Born male later to develope female attributes".
It also makes the distinction that those individuals where gender falls in question shall be assumed male. This is based totally on Jewish laws pertaining to males. Men have more mitzvot (deeds) required of them than women. So if gender falls into question, assign the most stringent gender.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble now. I often wonder where I would be now had I not received testosterone treatments? Would I have looked even more feminine? Maybe even more breast growth than I have? And am I intersex?
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very pssible for inter sex maybe you should get the test. ibeleive its called a karo test
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Many dittos here for me
Used to be a hairy dude, now only chest hair
Lost a lot of upper body strength and lower too
ED was becoming prevalent 10 years ago and is fully resistant to all three ED meds now Had a TURP 2 years ago, no chances of erections now BUT oddly enough I can still get an O.
It’s not like before, it has become full body and very mellow.
Had all the genetic testing done and no Kleinfelters or other explanations for the gyno
Regards, Bob
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Had to Google Turp and sounds tough. Hope health and all is going alright.
Ouch! 😳
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Mammogram reveals no cancer
Yea
Regards, Bob
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Mammogram reveals no cancer
Yea
Regards, Bob
That is great news Bob!
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Interesting that the big toe on a female is supposed to be inset slightly according to the graph.
Mine is 🤔
Hormonal stew?
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Well here ya go..:
(https://i.imgur.com/AJMIqAC.jpg)
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Well here ya go..:
(https://i.imgur.com/AJMIqAC.jpg)
Yup, yours too.
My feet are very swollen due to sitting down all day, but the heavy curvature of the arch side of the foot is also present much like yours. Coupled with inset big toes, and our feet fit the 'female' foot pattern. 🤔
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I’ve always had issues with shoes because my heels would never “fit”, I would have too much movement of the heel in the shoe. Looking at that diagram and reading into some of the supporting literature, I seem to have a more female foot: narrow heel, higher arch, shorter outerfoot, and slightly inset big toe. I don’t think there is a Female foot and a Male foot, but based on the averages there may be something to trying on a pair from across the isle to compare.
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I have two pairs of shoes at the moment. I find that my women's shoes fit me best. They just hold my feet like a glove.
My men's shoes are more suitable for bad weather, but I'll be shopping across the isle when they wear out. 😉
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I’ve always had issues with shoes because my heels would never “fit”, I would have too much movement of the heel in the shoe. Looking at that diagram and reading into some of the supporting literature, I seem to have a more female foot: narrow heel, higher arch, shorter outerfoot, and slightly inset big toe. I don’t think there is a Female foot and a Male foot, but based on the averages there may be something to trying on a pair from across the isle to compare.
Because I'm outdoors alot, trying to find hiking boots that fit. I have always had issues with my feet and flat arches.
also severe pronation that causes my ankle to sharply twist inward causing spraines.
I love merrels et-all, but now am going to Bearpaw.
one pair that I purchased are actually lifted heels that re-aligns my spine and prevents the arch pain I experienced for so long.