Author Topic: My Struggle!  NHS is my key to happiness?  (Read 5135 times)

Offline zrgyne

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Errr tell me if this is in the wrong section, i'll delete and move it.

Hey! I'm 18 and have gyne, and I live in Ireland. :(
I've been browsing this board for around a year now, and i thought it was about time to make a post.
This board has been kind of like a double-edged sword for me. In one way it made me feel like I wasn’t alone, and let me realise how many others there are out there, and in another made me face up to some harsh realities.
Before I found out about "gynecomastia" itself I thought my large chest was just due to my weight, it was quite shocking and partially de-motivating to find out all the exercise and eating well in the world might not help me at all.
I've had a rather difficult time for the last 7 or 8 years of my life. My gyne first appeared as far as I can remember when i was around 11, this was also a stage in my life when I had taken to playing a lot of video games for prolonged amounts of time, and I gained a hefty amount of weight.
On a side note I’m still one for believing that putting on weight and the development of true gyne are somehow related, but some expert here will probably provide me with some highly scientific evidence that completely disproves this...

Anyway, when I first became self conscious of my gyne i would start taking days off school if it were an occasion in which I thought I may have to present my chest for any reason, you know, changing rooms that sort of thing, pretty standard stuff.
My self esteem became completely non existent during this time, and kids would start noticing it and picking on me because of it, well there weren’t many remarks at all at this time to tell the truth, but any comments hurt, big time. This was a little troublesome for a young boy who has just begun to notice girls etc, none of them wanted he guy with breasts, ill never figure out why. :(

So, things got progressively worse as time went on, I started intone of the best high schools in the country, my mother was proud. As my journey through hellschool began my heart almost exploded when I was told we would have to do compulsory swimming for the first six months of our first year.
Ah swimming, the most dreaded and degrading activity I can think of, I’ll tell you one thing, those swimming lessons bring back memories. Girls pointing and laughing, guys err pointing, laughing and pinching, you know, the sort of thing which seems like fun to one person, but ruins someone else’s entire life.

These prevalent issues drove me to become seriously depressed, and I mean seriously depressed, I’m just that vain I guess. I therefore developed a serious online game addiction, I had always been fond of games even before I suffered from gyne, it was a natural progression, the internet is a place people can't judge, or pinch. L I became even fatter due to isolating myself with my computer, junk food and a large collection of multiplayer games. A combination a wouldn’t recommend to anyone. These factors helped me when it came to taking off around two years of high school much to my parent’s frustration and confusion. They didn't even realise what it was that was bothering me, and I was such a wreck at this time that telling anyone was utterly out of the question. You might notice how terribly I construct sentences, 3 years of missed English class, blame the gyne! :o

Not to be cocky, but I was always a bright child, I managed to pull out some meagre qualifications despite missing almost half of my entire high school education.
It was when I left high school that I hit rock bottom.
I spent around one year in my room, going outside once every three weeks or so for random things, my alcoholic dad also died around that time. This is something I’m not saying for any kind of sympathy, it’s just I don’t want to explain that whole situation, you get the main aspect of that story by me just calling him an alcoholic, although I did love him very much.
I made several attempts to dig myself out of the hole I was in, you know, trying to make myself exercise etc, all of these plans of course failed.
It was a little later that I began to realise what was really holding me back, apart from the gyne that is. Even on the days in which I had motivated myself enough to do some exercise I would still spend around 10 hours on my computer, I was maturing into an adult, and I began to realise this was not just filling the voids in time but that I had a SERIOUS internet gaming addiction.
I stopped playing games cold turkey, which was harder that you might be able to imagine, many say its comparable to drug addiction, another difficult aspect being that my entire social life was composed of online friends.
I felt serious symptoms of withdrawal all day every day for about 3 weeks, but I beat it, I began eating right and working out and made some new good REAL LIFE friends, although I have told none of them about my gyne. I lost almost all the weight I had put on earlier in my life, and girls began to notice me, about time. J

So, my current situation is this; I’m in good shape, slightly built and toned, my gyne is only noticeable when I actually take my clothes off, which means I am able to easily pick up girls, but due to emotional issues I can never have a girlfriend until these things are totally gone. My confidence about everything else about myself however is sky high, I couldn’t feel better about every other aspect of what I am.
They say that spending a lot of time to yourself makes you grow, lets you understand things, what I did earlier in life has moulded me into the person I am today, someone who is open minded in understanding to others, someone who doesn’t judge. I actually regret very little about my high school years, I would have liked to do better, but I can still succeed, and I know that now, I feel for the first time ever in my life that I’m actually going somewhere.

I finally worked up the courage to go and see a GP, he agreed that I have prevalent bilateral gyne, and that it couldn’t be due to my weight, although he agreed it was impossible to notice with my clothes on. He was the first person I have ever talked to about the subject, and was unbelievably understanding, it was so good to talk to someone, like a 20 minute orgasm J. I felt absolutely fantastic for the rest of that day, like I was on some kind of drug, it was kind of weird. Anyway, he sent a letter off to a breast consultant, to which I got a reply to come for a consultation meeting in June, I hate to take the NHS route but I got no choice, and I feel it’s the only way I can ever be happy about myself.

Gees I rambled on, If you actually read all of that kudos to you.

So, now I wait, its going to be a full four months, wish me luck !
« Last Edit: February 16, 2006, 08:37:34 PM by zrgyne »

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Hello zrgyne

Having read your story I, with others I am sure, were nodding away, identifying with many of the issues you have had to endure.  You being concerned about your gynaecomastia is not a hallmark of vanity, so please don't try to justify yourself in that way.  Children and adults can be very cruel to guys with breasts.  But that issue and their lack of understanding is an issue that is with them - not you!

You are fortunate that you have a GP that listened and understood the anguish you have suffered over the years.  Some people here think it's important that you get yourself checked out by an endocrinologist (hormone specialist) to make sure there is no underlying problem that was the cause.  I would ask your GP if there could be a hormonal issue to explored and if a referral to an endocrinologist is appropriate.

You now have to decide if you want to go for surgery via the NHS.  There are pros and cons to this.  Whichever route you decide as long as you are aware of what the advantages and disadvantages and know what to ask you will be making the best and most informed decision, so spend time on this forum ploughing through the UK section of the forum reading up on all the surgery experiences both private and NHS to make a comparison.

Other guys that have been via the NHS have had mixed levels of satisfaction.  I think the main issue is lack of experience by most NHS surgeons.  Plastic/breast/general surgeons on the NHS in the main deal with female patients doing breast mastectomies (removal), reductions and augmentations (implants).  Male chest reduction/sculpture usually makes up a small percentage of their caseload.  My surgeon (Mr Levick, Birmingham) suggested they might do up to half a dozed operations on men out of a caseload of 200 patient procedures a year.

There is a recent thread in the UK section that gives more information, I will root it out and put a link to it here...

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http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=8;action=display;num=1139579285

Hope that helps.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2006, 10:17:25 PM by phantom »

Offline kingpin05

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See my thread entitled surgery feb 4th ....Nhs isnt always the worst route...I know some members have there prejudices and are a bit snobby but at the end of the its about helping yourself.
NHS has ben nothing but 100% in everything when it comes to me .

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Sorry to hear about your situation zrgyne  :-[

The guys have given you some great info and reading the link provided will give you an idea of the issues invloved via the NHS route as too will going to the UK section/forum.

The only point I would make wish differs somewhat from the above is that I think you should make a request to see an endocrinologist now prior to any consultation with a surgeon as a matter of course.

Both myself and Kingpin have gone through the NHS, Phantom via the private route and we have all come out the other side one way or another- it can be done!

If I can help in any way you only have to ask either via here or via a pm and I am sure that goes for the other guys too.

All the best!
« Last Edit: February 17, 2006, 07:49:57 AM by Hypo-is-here »

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man i know all about the internet addiction. instead of playing football i spent most of the time on my computer which i regret now. i had tons of online friends too. I didnt worry about a girlfriend. my family would always ask me why i dont have one and id come up with an excuse. After surgery i made some friends. Started going to clubs and parties. met some nice girls. I say real life is better.

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Thanks for the replies guys; you don't know how much it means to me to be able to converse about this particular subject.
In response, I am well familiar with that particular topic involving the NHS, and many thanks for the reference. Topics about NHS surgery are often the sole reason I now come on to browse this forum, for obvious reasons :).
As for hypos suggestion that I should book an endocrinologist; I agree, but that would mean more time consumed, and I seriously don't want to wait that long to get rid of these things, I guess that may be a bit impatient and childish, but that's just the way I feel. :(
I am currently waiting for a consultation with a breast expert, yes this specialist will probably be used to dealing with mostly women, but I would rather wait to see what comes of this than to start over fresh, I need to be optimistic, it’s really the only way I can cope.
It’s possible that I am being foolish, I’m still just a child after all J, but we will just see how it goes, I am quite afraid of the results the NHS route might inflict upon me, but I guess I’m a dreamer, and a normal chest is my ultimate goal J.

Once again thanks for the kind welcome, it means so much to me, I’ll be sure to keep you guys posted on my situation. Any replies welcome by the way, it means a lot to me to actually talk about a subject I have kept bottled up for almost half of my entire life. :o


I know this may sound pitiful, but if anyone would like to talk via msn or aim, i would love to talk one to one with a fellow gyne sufferer, somthing which i have never had the pleaseure of doing. :(

Once again, thank you.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2006, 05:18:07 PM by zrgyne »

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25 percent of gynecomastia sufferers typically have an underlying causative condtion.

12 percent of which have a hormonal condition.

If you have a surgical procedure and you have an underlying hormonal condition then the gynecomastia can come back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is ZERO point in going through all of this including the NHS and procedure only to risk it coming back.

Sticking your head in the sand does NOT help.

See an endocrinologist and rule out underlying conditons and then get the procedure you are looking for and have a happy life.








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On the endo point , When I saw the PS she made a point of saying that she would like me to have an endo appointment before she did the procedure, just in case.

So if you do go the NHS route you may find your PS wants you to have your hormones tested before surgery. Hypos right, if  don't get your hormones checked out you might have a lot of needless hassle for no result.Depending on health authority you may get passed from pillar to post anyway so if you can do anything to make the process easier I would.

If they don't suggest an endo appointment I would ask for one before the op. Then you know you have the best chance of resolving the issue.

Congrats on getting yourself in shape . What a story. Your not vain, many men care about their appearance. Gyms are full of men pumping iron, I would call a man who gets a pedicure or a back wax vain ;D.  Wish you the best of luck
« Last Edit: February 18, 2006, 03:11:22 AM by Worrier »

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If they don't suggest an endo appointment I would ask for one before the op. Then you know you have the best chance of resolving the issue.


This is EXACTLY what I have been talking about on these boards for the last two years.

The importance of this cannot be overstated.  Unfortunately you cannot always expect the NHS or in fact any health authority to always get these things right.

Just like doing your homework and choosing a surgeon privately or doing your homework and arguing for the correct procedure via the NHS- this too has to be part of people homework!!!

Odds are you are fine- but you do not know until you ensure this is the case.

Always better to be safe than sorry- ensure your own health regardless of anything else- do not leave it as something that may fall by the wayside or you could end up like of a number of men who re-develops gynecomastia post surgery.

Get checked- get surgery if that is what you want- stay happy




« Last Edit: February 18, 2006, 03:57:37 AM by Hypo-is-here »

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I suppose you're quite correct, as if I had got the surgery and they simply grew back, it would probably destroy my life.
I'll bring up the subject of a hormone test in my next upcoming consultation, if that is fruitless however; would I have to get my hormones tested privately to have the results in time for the op? I honestly have no idea how long these things take.
I really know absolutely nothing about NHS procedures etc so any help on the subject, including rough estimated timescales would help.
When I saw my GP last month he said it would be over a year or so until I would actually have the op, due to the NHS back load.
I have a consultation with a breast expert in June just for reference, this is when I hope to bring up, or for them to bring up the subject of hormonal problems...

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One bridge at a time.  

There is no reason to suppose that your gp will refuse a referral to see an endocrinologist given your gynecomastia.

See where a request takes you.

If you do get a referral to see an endocrinologist, the maximum waiting time according to NHS guidelines is 16 weeks from the moment of referral to the consultation.

The 5th of June or there abouts would be your latest possible appointment if your gp agreed to put in the referral on Monday.



« Last Edit: February 18, 2006, 02:39:25 PM by Hypo-is-here »

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Thanks alot for the info hypo, you're a lot of help.

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I have just had the same thing, I got a referal to a breast specialist and lik you thought that was going to e it but nearly nine months on i am still not even on that waiting list, firstly i suspect the breast speacialist will have all the tests done on you to see if there are underlying causes , I was asked to come back in 2 months for results i was then told i could have an op and id hear from them, six months went by!! I pestered my gp 3 times and in the end I heard from them. They then refered me to an endocrologist, I am now waiting to see them a further two months! then after that if the gyne hasnt gone down ill praobaly be added to the waiting list which i belive to be a year or so

What i would advise is to keep visiting your GP until yu get  definate answer i was actully made a priority case!!! (WHAT  ID HAVE TO WAIT IF I WASNT WHO KNOWS!!) anyways i dont want to uspset you jus keep pushing and dont let yourself be forgot, Oh another thing the breast speacialist seems hell bent on scaring me of this operation and has come out with things such as you dont want this op youll just end up with scars, then next time she went on about indented nipples and they are worse than having gyne! maybe they get bonuses for putting people of.

GOOD LUCK KEEP IT POSTED ALL MEDICAL AREAS ARE DIFERENT IM IN CHESHIRE

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firstly i suspect the breast speacialist will have all the tests done on you to see if there are underlying causes


Breast surgeons are NOT experts in gynecomastia or the causes of gynecomastia they are ONLY experts in the remopval of gynecomastia.

Would you have an endocrinologist perform your surgery?

No.

So should you have a breast surgeon perform your hormone pathology?

NO!!!!!!!!  :D

It is the same premise






 

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