Levic vs Kardis

[uk2000]

yes grobbellar did mess up my surgery, he didnt do a good job. i still have 1 side bigger than the other, and left over fat or gland.
thing is its hard to get refunds or to sue surgeons.  funny thing is he thinks he done a ok job, and told me i cant expect things to be perfect.
i still feel uncomfortable taking my top off because no 2 sides of the chest are the same, and they look totally different when compared to each other.
kardis has made things a little better, but im gonna need further work to try and correct the symmetry.

[Patientx]

Hi

UK2000 - I've booked to see Karidis after a disasterous result with Levick 3yrs ago - would you recommend him? But maybe more importantly - why did he not solve the problem on his 1st attempt (ur 2nd op).

I'm hoping he can solve a prob or two caused by Levick - the hero that everyone seems to think he is...yeah right.

Regards

[doddy]

I'm hoping he can solve a prob or two caused by Levick - the hero that everyone seems to think he is...yeah right.

You think that your surgery with him was so important that it ought to serve as the only thing to judge Levick by?

No one claims he's infallible, they just claim he's pretty good at what he does. He is. Your troubles, as unfortunate as they are, don't mean he isn't.

[Time_to_fix_it]

I have read with interest the postings about the surgeons people have used and their opinions of the results that they have had with their surgeon.  One man may be happy with the job his surgeon did, and another man (who used the same surgeon) may not.  Each will naturally have a strong opinion and I think it right and proper for them to express it.  I feel that this is invaluable to those of us who are considering surgeons.  We need to hear the good cases and the bad cases of a surgeon.  Only then can we make the choice with our eyes open and aware that he/she is not infallible.  Keep the stories coming please, both good and bad.

[doddy]

I totally agree with you. However if you read what Patientx said, he dismisses his entire reputation as undeserved ("yeah right") on the basis of just his surgery. That is incorrect.

[uk2000]

patient x, yes karidis is good, but u have to see him on yr basis.
he thought lipo wud solve my problem, all it did was get rid of lumps and some uneven fat i had lying around.

but the main fact is i still have alot of left over gland,  which he agreed post op needs removing as lipo didnt do the job.  hes going to be doin it again for free.  i just gotta pay hospital charges.

patient x why was yr surgery with levick bad,  wot went wrong?/

[Fr1dayGTA]

I totally agree with you. However if you read what Patientx said, he dismisses his entire reputation as undeserved ("yeah right") on the basis of just his surgery. That is incorrect.

Its the fact hes done only two successful operations ever (that we've heard about on here)  in the two years of my reading this board that doesnt warrant him his perfect reputation.

The first being A guy i think his name Ukgyne or something whos previous pics ive never seen as they were not posted, but the after pics show clearly that he was a very small build man and probably had a very small case of gyne but after had a normal symetrical chest.
And the other i believe is IT100? Whos previous pics ive not seen (dont knwo if been posted) but after pics look excellent.
Insomniac had some good pics but he still went for revision and was never heard of really again so maybe he was a 3rd.
But thats about 3 out of 10-20 different people.
From what i've read its been bothing but "lhs is good but rhs is not" and "rhs is good but lhs is not" and lots of people who after 3 and 6 months are still waiting for results. Ive found that if it aint there within the first 6 months then its likely not gonna happen.

Im going to be demanding a 3rd op i think as this is getting beyond a joke. Im waiting my life away.
If he doesnt want to concede then ill have to look into taking it further. Regardless of what surgeons like to think they are selling you a service and if they are misadvertising what that service is (i.e a normal flat chest)  then you have every right to complain, ignore all this different people different results bull, the only time it wont turn out right is if you have medical scarring problems and things like that (if they are a competent surgeon). If you have a very large case and are still told that you will be perfect then you should be perfect, no exscuses.
Levick is a great guy but as a surgeon there is a lot i would question about his ability.
He seems to do fine in surgery but after doesn't take enough interest in his patients to ensure all has gone well. My problems the second time coulda been fixed i believe just with a simple draining of water procedure but i was told to wait and it would go down. Only to read many months later on teh net that seromas cause excessive scarring. Funny how it takes me 5 mins to find that out but a surgeon doing ops all his life doesnt think it warrants mentioning or action on.


Well thats my rant for the day.

[doddy]

Read through the past pages of this forum if you think Levick has only ever done two good operations. First and foremost, you're forgetting me. I'm certainly a third.. and there are MANY documented in the archives of this section.

[Fr1dayGTA]

post links to people who have unequivocally said yes all happy was fine etc.
not people who have said im happy with the results but this side is a bit different or that side is different.
id be impressed if you could find 5.

[oxman2k]

i had surgery with levick about 5 months ago and my results are not good.i have skin stuck to muscle around both nipples where to much fat has been removed and when i flex my chest it looks a mess.i doubt that it will sort itself out and will be going to see levick again.but i dont think anything can be done if the skin is stuck to the muscle if i had the op on nhs and not paid i would not be happy but 4k i expected better.

[doddy]

post links to people who have unequivocally said yes all happy was fine etc.
not people who have said im happy with the results but this side is a bit different or that side is different.
id be impressed if you could find 5.

I'm not going to spend my Sunday trawling through the history of a forum. I guess you'll have to trust me on it. I read every single page in the run up to my surgery and remember feeling greatly comforted by what I read.

[Fr1dayGTA]

I dont need to trust anyone, im smart enough to make my own mind up and having been a member for 2 years and several months I dont need to trawl archives ( and im sure you feel the same about your opinion) .
Im glad you had a succesful operation and am extremely envious but it is not a top heavy fraction i.m.o of succesful cases with levick.

I think its unfair to say that people are being biased
because there operation has gone wrong when the claim is made my someone whos biased because theres has gone great.

At the end of the day its very sad because paul is a nice guy and i hope he'll swallow a bit of what must be pride and carry on to the end with all the patients who arent happy with there results. I dont want him to make me perfect i want him to make me normal and not this bull about "your within the normal range" its been £4000 and another two years of basically having gyne and two painful operations. If he doesnt fix it then im gonna have to look into selling my car and crap like that to get it sorted and that just isnt right.

when i look like IT100 id be happy (great results!)

[doddy]

Well alright, all I'm saying is, people who had good ops are wrong to think that their experiences should be all that's used to judge Levick, and the same to people who had bad ops.

[Patientx]

You think that your surgery with him was so important that it ought to serve as the only thing to judge Levick by?

No one claims he's infallible, they just claim he's pretty good at what he does. He is. Your troubles, as unfortunate as they are, don't mean he isn't.

Errr... unlucky in your argument pal. My troubles are unfortunately his results, so it IS something to judge Levick by.

Firstly Fr1dayGTA, thanks for having the balls to sound off about this potentially surgeon-crucifying subject.

Now, I dont want to get personal, but something I've noticed about these pages, why is it there only seems to be a few people praising Levick regularly, and many people criticising him just a few times?

Myself, Fr1, Taz, oxman, are all relative newbies (to name but a few) that have posted just a few posts about how poor a surgeon we think Levick is, but you Blation Fan have posted some 646 posts since 7th Nov 2004. If you've only entered this site on a Sunday, thats 17 posts each time. No offence, but if you "dont have the time on a Sunday to trawl this site" backing up your argument against Fr1dayGTA, then what do you spend your time doing, cos it sure wont be spent watching the omnibus editions of Eastenders?

Now thats off my chest, I'd just like to make a couple of points clear.

Not so long ago, a good friend had to have his anterior cruciate ligament in his knee reconstructed from his patella tendon (front part of his leg). In short this complex procedure that was carried out successfully (yet again, by Mr Porter a renowned surgeon, from Birmingham) ensuring that he could run again and play sports.

In perspective:

Levick had to suck out a certain amount of fat from my chest causing minimal entry scarring. He could do neither even vaguely right.


My point is please do not try to tell us (plural) that Levick is a good surgeon or even a good bloke without valid evidence / numbers. He is performing less than complex surgery with lie-filled-consultations and very unstable results.

I can be contacted for discussion / follow up findings via personal mail if required.

Regards

[doddy]

Errr... unlucky in your argument pal. My troubles are unfortunately his results, so it IS something to judge Levick by.

Um, maybe you should actually read what I write so that you respond to what I said, rather than what you THINK I said. I said: "You think that your surgery with him was so important that it ought to serve as the only thing to judge Levick by?" - note "the only", because the poster was dismissing Levick's reputation simply due to HIS surgery, which is an incorrect thing to do. I've never claimed Levick is infallible, but to make him out as if he's unable to do this surgery is simply b*llcks.  

you Blation Fan have posted some 646 posts since 7th Nov 2004. If you've only entered this site on a Sunday, thats 17 posts each time. No offence, but if you "dont have the time on a Sunday to trawl this site" backing up your argument against Fr1dayGTA, then what do you spend your time doing, cos it sure wont be spent watching the omnibus editions of Eastenders?

Once again, you should actually read what I write properly, to save yourself looking foolish. Where did you get this figure of 17 posts from? I've been a member of this forum for 9 months. With 647 posts, that works out at a little over 2 a day. The majority of which have come in the past 7 months, when I actually had gyne. Furthermore, I never said "I don't have time on a Sunday to trawl this site", I said "I'm not going to spend my Sunday trawling through the history of a forum." What don't you understand? Try and actually respond to what I actually said in the future please.

Anyway, I can't really be arsed spending any more time defending Levick. In the end, anyone using just this forum to judge him is being hasty, but I guarantee you, if you look through the past pages (as I ONCE did, on the eve of my surgery with him), you will find more positive comments than you are currently willing to admit to.

Best of luck to you and I hope you all get sorted one way or another, I know it's nothing any of us want to live with, irrespective of our disagreements.