I need advice on treatment

[unhappy123]

If gynecomastia means nothing to you and doesn't affect your life in any way then why are you actively using this website? I understand there are far worse things in this world that do indeed minimize the presence of gynecomastia. However, I'm not going to strap a grenade to my leg to make gynecomastia seem nonexistent. Alot of you guys that have recently taken a liking to preaching acceptance are older, have careers, families, and maybe are even retired. Us young guys have all that to obtain yet in our lives. Does it really rub you so wrong that we seek the confidence to make all that happen? For me personally, it has had a serious effect on my confidence as well as social skills. You said yourself its all in between the ears and I think that's truly what all of us seek who are pursuing surgery. I'm not trying to look like I just walked off a Hollywood set, I just want to be comfortable in my own skin. I hate to sound naive and say its different when you're 19, but you were 19 at one time too.

Anyway, I understand outside opinions are important, but its completely up to the individual as to which road to take. You don't have a physically severe case, and neither do I. But as everyone says, the true damage is psychological, so unless you have the ability to see into our minds, I suggest you limit your diagnosis to your own personal experience. I always found this forum to be supportive of people, their conditions, and their personal decisions. It just bothers me a bit to see people suddenly imposing their opinions upon others in order to influence a decision.
   

I couldn't have put it any better Z31T. TigerPaws, you're not making anyone feel better. At least post your preaching in the acceptance forum. I'm beginning to think you are a troll, as you have insulted disagreed with doctors that are board certified and know what they're talking about and have made statements talking about the risks of plastic surgery that are clearly irrational. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think it would be more appropriate in the acceptance forum. 

[Z31T]

We came to an understanding and I have washed my hands of this. If another discussion is brought up, I will not be involved.

[Glad2findU]

It's sad to see bronze and gold members being condescending by saying, "the problem is in-between your ears" In contrast to many other situations, gynecomastia appears to be a minor problem but young people like myself come here for support. Appearance is important in society today but gynecomastia should not hold us back from chasing our dreams. I hope we can continue to use this forum for support, whether we decide to have surgery or not, while respecting each other and not passing judgement.     

[TigerPaws]

It's sad to see bronze and gold members being condescending by saying, "the problem is in-between your ears" In contrast to many other situations, gynecomastia appears to be a minor problem but young people like myself come here for support. Appearance is important in society today but gynecomastia should not hold us back from chasing our dreams. I hope we can continue to use this forum for support, whether we decide to have surgery or not, while respecting each other and not passing judgement.     

Please no argument or disrespect intended, doctors are not gods, while they may give God a wake up call in the morning, it is Engineers who lay the phone lines. OK! Old joke.

Physicians are not perfect, mistakes happen and to the best of my knowledge Gynecomastia by itself is not a life threatening condition. Surgery; any surgery carries risks, as to what those risks are varies on the procedure, the surgeon, the condition and the patient being operated on. There are no guarantees, you and anyone else can read on this forum personal accounts of success and failure. While the success stories are uplifting for those who need the boost in confidence the failures can be tragic.

While you personally might want, need and desire a shoulder to cry on because of a perceived problem. Sympathy and support are things you give to a disabled vet who has had his legs blown off or his brain scrambled by what he has been through. I highly doubt that you have ever spent a month of your time walking the halls of Congress, the Pentagon and Veterans Administration to get a severely wounded warrior the benefits he deserved and what should have been rightly his. I highly doubt you have ever held a dieing 20 year old in you arms, shielding him from further harm while you gave him what comfort you could as he breathed his last breath. Have you written personal letters and placed a lock of hair into a letter to a grieving family trying to comfort them for their loss or visited a VA hospital to see what you could do for one of the men you were/are responsible for after they left the battlefield as wounded or broken men?

I doubt it.   

Gynecomastia is not a life threatening condition, unless someone develops a true medical condition because of their gynecomastia such as cancer or an unidentified mass/discharge which is suspicious then any problem someone has with it is by definition a psychological issue which can be overcome without surgery.

Cosmetic gynecomastia surgery is no different than a woman getting a breast augmentation or a face lift for no other reason than to feel good about themselves. That again is a clear sign of a psychological disorder not a physical issue.

While you and anyone else is free to do as you please with your own body to suggest that only positive support needs or should be given is clearly a selfish and one sided point of view. Men such as myself and others with gynecomastia need to know and consider alternative options, that there are differing points of view.

In the end each person must make his own decision after listing to and considering all of the alternatives and weighing the risk and or potential benefits.     

[hammer]

I have to stand side by side with TigerPaws with what he has to say here!  I like him have seen the men suffer from war as I to am a vet of 11 years and I have gone through a multitude of surgeries meant to improve my quality of life, to aid in my ability to walk, not to make me look like a hunk!

It may be hard to understand and yes, I and many others have had our breasts from the time we where teenagers or younger, but we learned to deal with it.

The younger generation today never learn to deal with disappointment. Everyone makes the team even if they SUCK at what ever the sport may be. Everyone passes to the next grade because nobody can FAIL as it may be detrimental to their well being!

Well guess what, your shit stinks just like everyone else, get over it and stop being a damn cry baby, and grow up and be a man!

[unhappy123]

While you personally might want, need and desire a shoulder to cry on because of a perceived problem. Sympathy and support are things you give to a disabled vet who has had his legs blown off or his brain scrambled by what he has been through. I highly doubt that you have ever spent a month of your time walking the halls of Congress, the Pentagon and Veterans Administration to get a severely wounded warrior the benefits he deserved and what should have been rightly his. I highly doubt you have ever held a dieing 20 year old in you arms, shielding him from further harm while you gave him what comfort you could as he breathed his last breath. Have you written personal letters and placed a lock of hair into a letter to a grieving family trying to comfort them for their loss or visited a VA hospital to see what you could do for one of the men you were/are responsible for after they left the battlefield as wounded or broken men?
    

TigerPaws and Hammer,
Thank you for your service. It's evident how the military affected your life as it seems to have made you lose touch with reality. Ironically you two claim us "non-enlightened" people have lost touch with reality by wanting to rid ourselves of gynecomastia. You two clearly have psychological scars from your years of service. I understand that you guys are trying to help put people's views into perspective, but unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. The people on this forum have been suffering from a different psychological problem than you too may be suffering from. Let's support each other and not make rude and offensive statements such as "Well guess what, your shit stinks just like everyone else, get over it and stop being a damn cry baby, and grow up and be a man!" Hammer, what are you doing on this forum? Do you like saying things like this? Do they make you feel good or think that they'll make others feel better? Don't you have anything better to do? Let's not forget this is a place for support. You must understand that people are in different mindsets and they're very difficult to change.

[Z31T]

I think I see the problem here.

Sympathy and support are things you give to a disabled vet who has had his legs blown off or his brain scrambled by what he has been through.     

I think that's all you really want here, whether you care to admit it or not.

While you may view your military experience as nothing short of righteous and heroic, believe it or not its not always the same view of others. What do these men really suffer and die for. Is it truly for their country down to the depths of their hearts? Or is it for the ideals of the power drunk political radicals that call this country's shots? Either way your service was a choice you made (minus vietnam)and the consequences of that are for you to live with, as are everyone's choices about anything. Yes, any service to the security of this country is honorable and respectable but its also a choice. Maybe save a little of that honor and respect for yourself. I say that because here you are typing paragraph after paragraph in post after post about on a small internet forum full of physically insecure young men about how they should forget about there pathetic little problems and start shitting respect for you. Come on, really? If you're so desperate for attention and praise, I suggest you get your markers and posterboard out and make yourself a sign to hold in the street. You'd have much better luck than here. If you have nothing better to do than spend the time to type novels on this forum trying to get these guys to bow down and look up to you then that's honestly just sad and there goes my respect for you. Most veterans I know are humbled by their experiences and often don't wish to talk about them, yet here you are TRYING to get praise in a place where it simply doesn't belong.

You seem to think you've traveled the upmost path of righteousness in this life and that therefore gives you the right to talk down to others and tell them how to view and live their life. The world is a huge place. The wars and the people that sent you there are far from the truest and most honorable things in it. I personally get the feeling you are in denial over that and are trying any way you can to find justification through others, and I will say again that this forum is NOT the place to do that and I think I will be supported in suggestion to keep the discussion related to GYNECOMASTIA with appropriate information in the appropriate forum sections.

I said I wasn't getting involved with this but you went and pissed me off again. Sorry, I'm done.     

[siphon]

well said Z3IT

and holy melodrama tigerpaws! this is not war! this is a forum where people gather to discuss, share, and learn from one another. its not a battle field and we are not opponents. you spew your war references and battle axe jargon with the intent to disarm us and belittle us into believing what you believe. its unsurprising that you were in the army, you were so gullible and narrow-minded to believe that you were serving your country, when in fact you were merely a pawn to serve the dignitaries way above you. war is a violent conflict between opposing viewpoints. the intent of war is to change people because they dont believe in what you believe in, and here you are, sitting at your desk - a veteran if i understand correctly - trying to continue that same ill-fated path in a forum specifically designed for those that have gynecomastia. like Z3IT said, you have a choice to either accept your way in life, or change it so that it better suits you personally.
you've turned into a pastor that just wont shutup. let us all be!

if it comes across like i dont respect what you did, i dont. thats my choice based on my own intelligence, and hammer i apologize if that offends you too. TP, you seem hell-bent on minimizing some of the expert advice of the docs on here which is your insecure ego talking. they have been giving us great advice, and no, we dont view them as gods, they are experts in their field. if i wanted to know what gun to buy or how to murder someone from 100 yards, you would be the one i consulted! (by the way, isn't there a war veteran, or army of one forum you can frequent?)

from an honest unbaised perspective, i do believe that it is you yourself who needs professional psychological guidance and support. what you've put yourself through, what say you've witnessed it enough to jar any human into disillusionment and madness. you are clearly there, and seek help before its too late.

i'll have to reiterate what unhappy123 said, what the h are you doing on this site if it is not to help, support, share or learn from?

and please, i got your private msg a few days ago, i dont need to see pictures of your breasts, that lady's picture you found online, or prove that you know how to run game on women. if you want to play devils advocate here, may i suggest you do so less condescendingly and a little more supportively.

end rant.

and gymfreak, your thread has obviously been jacked so i apologize. i hope you've sorted out your problem. showing pictures in the 'ask a doctor' section will get you some great advice from the skilled surgeons who dedicate their time here. good that you got off the methodrol

[hammer]

Now that everyone has vented I hope you feel better! Kind of like taking a good crap, isn't it?

One of you mentioned bowing down to someone! All I would like to say is one thing about that.  I see too many people bowing down to man and society, and worry what every one thinks about them. And this bothers me that people can't learn to like or love them selves. I know that I have said this some of my post!

We should only be bowing down to God and God only, but everyone forgets who he is!

I will not apologize for who I am as it has got me through some very tough times and I have said it before and I will say it again and again, I am who I am! And,

I would rather be hated for who I am, then loved for who I am not!

[hammer]

Siphon ,

You may not respect the military or what it does, but then maybe you don't really care that you can read this in English and have the freedom to write the words that you have written!


Just my take on what the military has done for my country since 1776 !

[siphon]

i do agree that there is something greater than us above us, but the aspects of the military that i dont accept run contrary to this. you go to war with people that dont agree with you ie you want them to bow down to you. in essence, you are playing 'god' through brute force and ignorance.

meh, lets leave the political crap out of here and revel in this collective community.

[hammer]

Given your young age, I will take this for what it is worth!

It is said we all have the rights to our own opinions, which is another thing that makes this a great county thanks to our military!

[siphon]

just as there may be some great things about your country, there are some shitty things as well. this is true with most countries around the world, and it does not make one better than another. yet, being the prime instigator in global issues and financial woes is nothing to brag about, and i'm surprised - given your age - that you deem this as noteworthy (and it smells of elitism). in your case, age has given you the gift of collecting over-used cliched sentences and phrases.

rights to your own opinions? look around you! behind and in front of you. (slavery, big pharma, economic crisis....) the food you eat, the chemicals you ingest,..your perspective is out of whack...but, never mind. teaching a closed minded old man new perspectives is futile. you already know everything, and since you've held on to your theories and sacrificed your life and your families lives for them, they must be true.


i apologize if i come off as abrasive, mutual respect is what i'm after. however, TP's better-than-thou stance is annoying and i'm glad he seems to have toned it down a bit. i do not agree with the army, and i'm entitled to feel that way. you may have joined for altruistic endeavours and if thats the case, mucho respect to you. however, if it was to change the world to think, act and talk like you, or else.... then we have nothing in common except gyno.

i've lived on every continent, and i have family on every one so i know and have seen the destructive nature of war and what it entails. you may have only seen your side which is why your opinion is so jaded. its sad that not enough people are able to speak up about it.

[TigerPaws]

siphon I am not trying to pick a fight, I have already done enough of that in my lifetime. The Military is simply an extension of the people of the United States of America an instrument of the elected officials who's mission changes depending on the government in power which changes with every election. If you want to effect those policies and decisions, run for elected office and make the difficult decisions, complaining is easy action will make those complaints have meaning.

I had no desire to go to Somalia 1993 and I sure as hell did not want to take a 7.62 round and loose far too many damn fine young men because the American media showed some starving kids on TV 24/7. But that was my job, what I was trained and paid to do.

If you have not figured it out yet, my intent is to bring into perspective what it means to have puffy nipples or even fully developed breasts verses catastrophic losses of life and limb. While having puffy, projecting nipples or enlarged breasts might make you feel embarrassed. like it or not, believe it or not it is all in your head.

You allow people to make you feel inadequate, different or out of the "norm" that is by definition a personality disorder which is a psychological illness. No one can make you feel bad about yourself except you and to do that you have to allow them to do so.

If you "believe" that a surgical" procedure will make you feel better about yourself then put your money on the table and go under the knife. That is your right in a free country, which by the way was paid for and continues to be paid for by men and women willing to put their lives on the line to insure that you have that right.   

[hammer]

Siphon, the USA is not the instigator in these wars, most of the times we have been asked to step in! Study your history, young man.

If you would take time and grab a good book to read, starting with the "GOOD" book, the Bible you will find the God even told kings to go to war! If you would like I can help you get started with the Bible as I try spend sometimes up to four or more hours a day with it!