Author Topic: Do beer and breasts go hand in hand?  (Read 8081 times)

Offline xelnaga13

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Extracted from The Natural Testosterone Plan by Stephen Harrod Buhner

"Hops is best known for its use in beer. The majority of physicians and men overlook its potent chemicals and do not realize that beer itself can significantly alter the male androgen levels. German beer makers noticed long ago that the young women who picked hops in the fields commonly experienced early menstrual periods. Eventually, researchers discovered the reason – hops is perhaps one of the most powerfully estrogenic plants on Earth. Just 100 grams of hops (about 3.5 ounces) contains anywhere from thirty thousand to three hundred thousand IUs of estrogen, depending on the type of hops. Most of it is the very potent estrogen estradiol. Estradiol, as it is taken into the male body, causes a direct lowering of testosterone levels in the testes and an increase in SHBG levels, which then binds up even more free testosterone in the bloodstream. The estradiol in hops has also been found to directly interfere with the ability of the testes Leydig cells to produce testosterone. The presence of this highly estrogenic substance in beer is not an accident.

Prior to the German Beer Purity Act of 1516, beer almost never contained hops. In fact, more than one hundred different plants were used in brewing beer for at least ten thousand years prior to the introduction of hops in the middle ages. For the last thousand years of that period, the most dominant form of “beer” was called gruit, which contained a mixture of yarrow, bog myrtle, and marsh rosemary. These herbs, especially in beer, are sexually and mentally stimulating. (It is rare to become sleepy when drinking un-hopped beers.) The Catholic Church had a monopoly on the production of gruit, but competing merchants and the Protestants worked together to break their monopoly and force the removal of all sexually stimulating herbs from beer. They replaced them with an herb that puts the drinker to sleep and dulls sexual drive in the male. The legislative arguments of the day all hinged on the issue of the stimulating effects of other herbs that were used in beer. A pilsner, for example, was originally a henbane beer (pilsen means “henbane”), which is an incredibly strong, psychoactive beer, used earlier in history by German berserkers before battle. The German Beer Purity Act was, in effect, the first drug control law ever enacted.

Beer, so highly touted as sexy in television commercials, in actuality can powerfully inhibit sexual strength in men. There is a well known condition in England – Brewer’s Droop – that occurs from middle-aged brewers’ extensive handling of hops plants. The plant chemistries readily transmit through the men’s skin just as they did in the young women in the fields. Very few physicians have looked at any correlation between beer drinking and androgen levels or erectile dysfunction problems in their patients. (How many men on Viagra are heavy beer drinkers?) However, the physician Eugene Shippen in The Testosterone Syndrome comments that one of his patients undergoing pharmaceutical testosterone replacement therapy, showed no response to the testosterone until he reduced his beer intake to one or two beers a night from six to seven. Hops is extremely potent and its consumption should be limited if not completely excluded during all androgen replacement therapy. These effects can be exacerbated if the beers you buy also contain licorice (see Licorice section at beginning of chapter), a fact that will not be noted the beer label.


It is possible to buy beer that does not interfere with androgen levels, although it can be somewhat hard to find. Some microbreweries and brew pubs are now making traditional gruits. Check the brew pubs in your town. However, the best source is Bruce Williams, a Scottish Brewer who is bringing back the traditional ales of Europe and especially Scotland (i.e., pre-hopped European beers). He has five in production and they can often be found in larger American cities at any store that carries a wide selection of unusual beers. The heather ale is excellent but perhaps more useful would be the traditional pine ale made from the Scotch pine, Pinus sylvestris, whose pollen contains testosterone.


It is also best to buy beers that are bottle-conditioned. Bottle-conditioned beers are carbonated in the bottle and as such contain live yeasts. These yeasts (most commonly Saccharomyces cerevisiae) are highly nutritive. They are extremely high in protein, glucose tolerance factor, and B vitamins – especially niacin and B1. Glucose tolerance factor, because it helps regulate blood sugar levels, can help with many of the problems associated with diabetes. Brewer’s yeast contains the highest levels of glucose tolerance factor of any food. It also has been found to reduce serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels and newer research has indicated that S. cerevisiae yeasts may have direct enhancement impacts on androgen activity in the body."

Offline Chicago

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If that was true, the entire male population of the pacific northwest would be rocking boobs.

Up here, hops are used in high quantities for our IPAs. A single IPA is brewed with many times more hops than your typical macrobrew. The IPAs are rated on IBUs, or bitterness, which brewers try to get to even higher numbers. What makes it bitter? Hops... We even have "fresh hop" beers in the fall which I would suppose would be even more potent.

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I have both, I like the beer, I have gotten used to the boobs, but that doesn't mean that I like the boobs of course!

I know for a fact that the beer didn't have anything to do with my boobs, as I never was a heavy drinker.

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I would venture to say that natural/synthetic estrogens found in food or drink have a nominal effect on a healthy person. That being said, I would be very curious to know if they are capable of causing further health problems with someone who already has compromised hormone ratios.

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I would say you are making a very good point, I would have to agree, but I am not a scientist.

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I first read this and thought - sure back in college beer helped me get plenty of breasts in hand. ;D

Ya know there was this whole thing about some actor getting moobs from drinking to much soy milk or something. I have also read studies about adrogens in our environment causing reproductive declines.

But beer? I don't know.

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I never developed a taste for beer. But here I am with gyne.

We often try to find someone or something to blame things on. In this case, I think trying to find a cause simply wastes a lot of time and effort. If the condition has stabilized you will not likely ever find a cause. If the breasts are actively growing then a person needs to see an Endocrinologist.
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Offline Bman41

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I hardly ever drink bier and if i do it is a weissen (not pilsner). 

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I would venture to say that natural/synthetic estrogens found in food or drink have a nominal effect on a healthy person. That being said, I would be very curious to know if they are capable of causing further health problems with someone who already has compromised hormone ratios.

You make a good point i wondered the same thing about marijuana use. Never trying to find a blame just trying to get answers. I believe if your hormones are compromised and you do excessive drinking or marijuana smoking there will be growth in your gyno but who knows! I had a doctor tell me theres not enough evidence for that and i have heard from another doc that it sure as well can. So i do not know but am curious

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I would say you are making a very good point, I would have to agree, but I am not a scientist.
I have done extensive research into what effect man made estrogen's have an effect on gyn, the evidence is clear that there are many compounds such as BPA which is found in the lining of most canned drinks including beer. Then there are the soap, shampoo and deodorants along with many other commonly used products. Men who work in the factories universally have gyn. While their exposure is greater, estrogen compounds have a cumulative effect. The more estrogen you are exposed to the more receptors your body creates and if you take any Testosterone or DHA blockers you are likely to develop female breast to some extent depending on your genetic susceptibility.

Men are no different than women in the make-up of their breast structure, the difference is that Testosterone is far more powerful than estrogen. But as we age we produce less Testosterone and coupled with the estrogen compounds all around us breast development is all but guaranteed.

Again it all depends on your genes and how susceptible you are to the estrogen's, this is why younger men who are otherwise trim begin to develop female breasts.
           

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With all that said TigerPaws, you would think that the bra industries would have an interest in making a male bra for us guys like you and I, the b,c, d and double d cups that chose to live with this. That being said, I see an increase of this problem with everything that you listed being a cause or contributor to gynecomastia.

I can see the increase of new post already

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With all that said TigerPaws, you would think that the bra industries would have an interest in making a male bra for us guys like you and I, the b,c, d and double d cups that chose to live with this. That being said, I see an increase of this problem with everything that you listed being a cause or contributor to gynecomastia.

I can see the increase of new post already
hammer it is most likely a stigma which society has hoisted upon men and the bra manufactures are unwilling to see the potential market for their products. They would be ridiculed and the jokes would be non stop.

As long as men allow themselves to be marginalized for a purely natural condition like aging, going bald or needing to wear glasses little if anything will change.

Who knows maybe there is a business model in this discussion?

   

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I have talk to just my size about it, but they did want to hear about men having breast! I said is isn't much different then talking about ED, and the person that I was talking to said I don't talk about that either!


 

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