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Offline gynomore4me

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My Story

I am 38 years old and have been uncomfortable taking off my shirt my entire life.  I have struggled with my weight since I was a child.  Over my lifetime I have gained weight and lost it several different times.  Each time I lose weight I have hope that the moobs and love handles will go away.  But the fact is, this never happens, even when my BMI has been in the normal category, I still do not feel comfortable taking off my shirt.  For me this is fairly depressing and over time I tend to gain the weight back.

I have a 2 year old son.  He loves to play in the water and pools as most kids do.  On vacation this summer I was sitting by the side of the pool (as I always do) as other people played with him.  He kept coming over to me wanting him to play with him.  I said to myself that enough was enough and I had to do something about my insecurity.  I decided to talk with my wife about my problem (very difficult) and we decided that if I can lose the weight again, we would spend the money for me to have surgery.  So once again, I am going to the gym and watching what I eat.  I am hoping to have surgery in November or December.

Deciding on a Doctor

I have been following this website for a while and doing research on the internet.  Price is an issue for me, but more importantly I want to make sure that I get it right the first time.  Therefore, I am willing to travel to wherever I need to in order to make this happen.  As of right now, I think I have narrowed my choice down to two doctors, Dr. Delgado in SF or Dr. Bermant in VA.

After talking with the office personnel at both offices and checking out their respective websites, it appears that there are some distinct differences between the surgical techniques used by these two doctors.  Based on feedback from this website it sounds like these guys are both reputable surgeons and are two of the very best at their craft.  I am sure that I would be happy with the results of either doc but I have a question regarding their technique.

My understanding is that Dr. Delgado performs liposuction first and then removes the gland tissue after liposuction.  He also uses general anesthesia and places drains that must be removed after surgery.  He also likes the patient to stay around for a while after surgery for post op care.
 
My understanding with Dr. Bermant is that he (for the most part) uses sedation and removes the gland first. Then he uses liposuction to smooth everything out and obtain a flat chest. Dr. Bermant also allows you to go home after post op consultation.

I am looking to have gyno surgery and liposuction of the abdomen and flanks.  I think that the price will be similar for both Doc's.  I was wondering if anyone has any feedback or comments regarding their experience with these doctors and or the techniques that they use?

Thanks.

Offline gynomore4me

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I wish that guy all the best.  Hopefully everything will work out for him.

I will see if the docs can submit to insurance, but to be honest, I think that is a long shot at best.  If I had to guess, I would say that I probably have more of an issue with localized fat than gland tissue (but it is just that, a guess).   I am more worried about finding a reputable surgeon that will give me the results that I am looking for after one surgery than having insurance cover part of my surgery.

I want the docs to do what is best to give my chest a natural masculine looking contour.  If that means excision and tissue removal.  So be it.  The last thing that I want to do is go to someone that will only do lipo and end up with a problem later (not an issue with Delgado or Bermant).  I am also very concerned about looking normal, not only at rest, but also in animation.  I want my chest look normal while flexing and while moving around.   That is why I want to make sure that I find a doc that has a good reputation and that I can trust.  Should I be concerned about lumpiness and rippling from the lipo?  I have heard that this can happen but I don't know how much of that is attributed to the doctors techniques.  Is one method of lipo better for avoiding this?  When I go to the doctor's websites I see plenty of pictures of patients standing still but none that have found with video of flexing or movement.  Maybe I am not looking in the right spot.  I found Dr. Bermant's website extremely informative but a little bit difficult to navigate.  Also, in case anyone is interested, the lady at Dr. Delgado's office said that he has a new website.  In case anyone needs them I have listed both below.

Dr. Delgado
http://gynecomastiaspecialist.com/

Dr. Bermant
http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/procedure_folder/male_breast/index.html

I have not heard of anyone that was disappointed with Dr. Delgado or Dr. Bermant.  If there is anyone out there that is, please PM me and let me know.  For me they are both about the same distance away so that is not an issue.  I am just trying to understand why some doctors lipo first and others remove gland first?  It seems this is a big difference between Dr. Delgado and Dr. Bermant.  I may end up getting a remote consultation from both docs.  I still need to lose some weight and I know that Dr. Bermant charges $200 for a remote consultation which is why I have been holding off.  If anyone has any insight please let me know.

fitnisfrk, did you have the surgery done?  If so, who was your surgeon and are you happy with the results?  Do you know what technique he/she used?

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Every surgeon has different techniques which work for him -- what really counts is the final result.

I prefer to do lipo first -- using a cannula which I have specifically designed for gyne.  In many cases, I am able to remove both gland and fat with just one distant access incision (about 1/8th inch).  Many of my patients have posted results on this site to verify that this can be done successfully.  I am able to do this successfully in about 50% of patients.

My philosophy is that if I can remove all the excess tissue and not have to make a peri-areolar incision, that would be preferred.  However, sometimes I encounter extremely dense breast tissue which even my instrument cannot remove successfully.  It is very difficult to know this prior to surgery but it does becomes apparent during the operation and then I will, without hesitation, proceed to make a peri-areola incision for appropriate gland removal.  The beauty part of this is that most of the gland tissue has already been removed by the lipo, so there is usually very little left to remove.

All of my operations are performed on an outpatient, ambulatory basis under intravenous sedation administered by an expert anesthesiologist (we have been working together for over 15 years).

I would be pleased to provide an email evaluation of your situation at no charge.  If you wish, please send me a PM with your personal email and name.

Best of luck!!

Dr Jacobs
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My Story

I am 38 years old and have been uncomfortable taking off my shirt my entire life.  I have struggled with my weight since I was a child.  Over my lifetime I have gained weight and lost it several different times.  Each time I lose weight I have hope that the moobs and love handles will go away.  But the fact is, this never happens, even when my BMI has been in the normal category, I still do not feel comfortable taking off my shirt.  For me this is fairly depressing and over time I tend to gain the weight back.

I have a 2 year old son.  He loves to play in the water and pools as most kids do.  On vacation this summer I was sitting by the side of the pool (as I always do) as other people played with him.  He kept coming over to me wanting him to play with him.  I said to myself that enough was enough and I had to do something about my insecurity.  I decided to talk with my wife about my problem (very difficult) and we decided that if I can lose the weight again, we would spend the money for me to have surgery.  So once again, I am going to the gym and watching what I eat.  I am hoping to have surgery in November or December.

Deciding on a Doctor

I have been following this website for a while and doing research on the internet.  Price is an issue for me, but more importantly I want to make sure that I get it right the first time.  Therefore, I am willing to travel to wherever I need to in order to make this happen.  As of right now, I think I have narrowed my choice down to two doctors, Dr. Delgado in SF or Dr. Bermant in VA.

After talking with the office personnel at both offices and checking out their respective websites, it appears that there are some distinct differences between the surgical techniques used by these two doctors.  Based on feedback from this website it sounds like these guys are both reputable surgeons and are two of the very best at their craft.  I am sure that I would be happy with the results of either doc but I have a question regarding their technique.

My understanding is that Dr. Delgado performs liposuction first and then removes the gland tissue after liposuction.  He also uses general anesthesia and places drains that must be removed after surgery.  He also likes the patient to stay around for a while after surgery for post op care.
 
My understanding with Dr. Bermant is that he (for the most part) uses sedation and removes the gland first. Then he uses liposuction to smooth everything out and obtain a flat chest. Dr. Bermant also allows you to go home after post op consultation.

I am looking to have gyno surgery and liposuction of the abdomen and flanks.  I think that the price will be similar for both Doc's.  I was wondering if anyone has any feedback or comments regarding their experience with these doctors and or the techniques that they use?

Thanks.


My sculpture has evolved over the years. Although a normal male chest will have a tiny amount of gland, it should not show when the areola muscles relax and in motion. A chest should look good beyond just a few still pictures. How it moves when playing sports, exercising, flexing are critical.  It does not take much gland to distort the male chest. Residual gland and scar move like gland and scar, fat moves like fat. 

I prefer my Dynamic Technique where, what I find during surgery helps guide what needs to be done.

When gland is present, and it usually is, I prefer to start with and target the gland first. By concentrating on gland, I target the tissue that compresses the least and reserve the remaining fat as a potential tool for my reconstruction. 

Liposuction is fine for fat.  However, all forms of liposuction
  • specially designed sharp cutting cannula
  • ultrasonic
  • vasor
  • power assisted

all preferentially remove fat over gland.  Check out the Normal Anatomy of Gynecomastia.  When fingers of fat are between fingers of gland, liposuction alone tends to suck out the fat condensing  the gland behind making a mess. 

When significant gland is present, I start at the edge of the chest skin areola interface. That is a great place to fool the eye about a scar. Typically for normal gynecomastia, I need only one small incision on each side often about 1.6 cm (a little over 1/2 inch). This is much better than needing 4 incisions.  Direct access to the gland gives me direct access to controlling hemostasis (bleeding). This is a major factor in minimizing Bruising and Swelling with my Gynecomastia Surgery and why I can post such Early Healing After Gynecomastia Surgery Pictures.  Less swelling and bruising often results in greater Comfort After Gynecomastia Surgery.

Liposuction is but one of many tools of my artist's palette for surgical sculpture of the male chest and gynecomastia.


My Fat Flaps can bring fat into a crater.  A flap is tissue moved with a blood supply.  Adjacent fat transfered with a blood supply tends to survive, much better than a graft.  When carefully done, fat flaps tend to look like normal fat, feel like normal fat, and move like normal fat.  There are limitations to what fat flaps offer since fat still connected to its blood vessels will move only so far.

Try to go through the entire section about male chest sculpture on my site to learn what my techniques of surgery have to offer.

When liposuction is used first, a hole is often dug in the fat making a "flat" contour.  But the firmer gland does not compress like the fat causing distortion. In addition, techniques that target the gland remotely need to come at the gland from the gland edges and often leave a layer of gland under the areola that can look bad when the areola muscle relaxes and on animation.

Here are just a few of the many examples I have seen and treated:

Revision Gynecomastia After Failed Liposuction By Other Surgeon

Revision Puffy Nipple Gynecomastia After Failed Liposuction By Other Surgeon

Revision Gynecomastia After Liposuction and Partial Gland Excision By Other Surgeon.

Yes, there are many more examples of this technique on my website.  Gland targeted first and almost all removed, the surrounding fat replacing that gland.  I have never seen a crater deformity from my sculpture. 

The technique does not stop in the operating room.  Patient education, after surgery care, Compression Garments, Scar Care are but a few of the attention of detail that permits our patients to have maximum swelling at the time of surgery, quick recovery, and move on with their lives. 

You will not find many of my patients on the forums to answer your questions.  A few post but then disappear putting their gynecomastia behind them.  However, there are many patients who have been willing to share their gynecomastia surgery experiences on many pages of my website and in this forum.  (Start at the first page and then follow the arrows).

But in the end, each surgeon has the methods he / she prefers. It is the result that counts. But that should be a result

  • that a patient does not need to keep his arms down or not flex his muscles to hide deformity,
  • a result that looks good from many different views and looks good even on animation while living life no longer hiding the chest with clothing,
  • and a result that does not typically need so much bruising, swelling, and discomfort to get to the other side.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, MD
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Offline steelhead

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Very insightful Dr. Bermant.


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Very insightful Dr. Bermant.

You are quite welcome!

Michael Bermant, MD
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