will tamoxifen hurt my workouts?

[pe175]

Will tamoxifen hurt my progress in the gym?  I have minor gyno but am pretty serious in the gym and from what i've heard the tamox block estrogen in the chest, but increases it everywhere else.  I don't want to shrink my boobs while expanding my stomach or loosing what bicep muscle i have.

[GuckFyno]

You should look into taking rebound xt with tamoxifen otherwise you may experience a bit of bloated, fluffy look. Not speaking from personal experience here.

[pe175]

so your advice would be to take one or the other?

I thought you were supposed to stack them together?

Which one do you reccomend I take then?

[gynosucks1]

u gotta know something about trainting nutrition before u take tamixifen/rebound xt

they will spike your test quite a bit

you will have lots of oil

your appetite will be raging

expedient facial growth

weight gain..

yes weight gain...

my expierience, and everyone elses pretty much..... using good anti-estrogens is basically no weight loss.

you will burn off the fat, but even eating -kcal diet you seem to still retain all the weight.  Now take a person who is not cutting, and who starts shoving food in his mouth like crazy....

and well then it will most certainly hurt the way your gyne looks

[laurier]

What about Tamoxifen with Propecia?

[pe175]

u gotta know something about trainting nutrition before u take tamixifen/rebound xt

they will spike your test quite a bit

you will have lots of oil

your appetite will be raging

expedient facial growth

weight gain..

yes weight gain...

my expierience, and everyone elses pretty much..... using good anti-estrogens is basically no weight loss.

you will burn off the fat, but even eating -kcal diet you seem to still retain all the weight.  Now take a person who is not cutting, and who starts shoving food in his mouth like crazy....

and well then it will most certainly hurt the way your gyne looks

You said it will hurt the way my gyne looks.  I thought tamox was supposed to improve it.  Also, raising testosterone levels would help in fat loss.

I'm not exactly sure the statement your making, but from what I got from your first response makes it seem as though i'll gain weight from it.  If its water weight its no big deal.  Plus if you're loosing fat, in the end you'll actually have a lower BF%

[gynosucks1]

You said it will hurt the way my gyne looks.  I thought tamox was supposed to improve it.  Also, raising testosterone levels would help in fat loss.

I'm not exactly sure the statement your making, but from what I got from your first response makes it seem as though i'll gain weight from it.  If its water weight its no big deal.  Plus if you're loosing fat, in the end you'll actually have a lower BF%

you'll lose bodyfat, and improve your gyno if u train and eat right.

if u chug the pills and your appetite will spike like crazy and youll gain weight... Fat more than muscle if u dont workout.

[gynosucks1]

and no, it wont nec improve your gyno

people have misconsception about fat storage.  Inhibiting est wont decrease fat storage on your chest.  Male's store fat on ther chests.. it is one of the prime places to put fat on.

Again... Few people use anti-estrogens for cutting cycles.  Est plays a critical role for supressing appetite.  Also test and levels of test has a lot to do with your appetite.

Yes your test will be higher.. but not higher like taking roids.  YEs on roids, you can eat over your maintance and can even lose bodyfat this way.

with anti estrogens, your test wont be nearly as high for you to go over your limit with kcals and not gain fat.

however your appetite will be severely spiked.  

[gynosucks1]

i guess what i'm getting at...  

Chances are you will expierience very minimal changes from the tamixfen/rebound xt in terms of glandular tissue.

the more probable thing that will happen.. is your gland will become more broken up/disperesed, as well as bodyfat reduction if you train/eat right and diet.. well yoru chest will look beter.

if you're planning on going on a bulker your chest will get bigger.

if puffy nipes are your problem.. i've never heard of tamixfene/raloxifene helping with that.  i've only heard of it decreasing gland

[GuckFyno]

The gland underneath the nipple is what causes the puffy appearance though correct? If I'm not mistaken Dr Fielding does gland excision and the aerola naturally flattens, he does nothing specifically to the nipple.

[Hypo-is-here]

If anyone gets the dose wrong with any anti-estrogen or aromatase inhibitor and takes too much they will suffer from severe fatigue.

[pe175]

Well I honestly eat right all the time, and hit the gym.  I'm not overweight at all, I just have a minor case of puffy nipples which prevents me from wearing tight clothing.  I'd like to start dosing tomorrow (sunday) so could you please provide me with the correct amount of tamox to take, and how long to run it?  thanks a bunch.

[Hypo-is-here]

Sorry no can do, I don't agree with self medication, even less do I agree with giving advice to help people self medicate to do so is totally irresponsible.

If I did that sooner or later I would end up seriously hurting someone.

What I will say is this;

Get bloods before you do anything.

LH
Testosterone
SHBG
Estradiol
Prolactin

And then if you decide to self medicate, self medicate a aromatase inhibitor not SERM anti-estrogens.

That way you can go and get your bloods taken whilst self medicating and see exactly what is going on.

If you take a SERM anti-estrogen such as Tamoxifen you will render all blood estradiol blood tests useless and will not be able to up or lower a dose depending on what is found.

My advice- don't self medicate, reality you probably will and ignore me, so if this is the case at least do it in the least irresponsible way possible and that is too have baseline blood tests taken before during and after, and taking a substance that allows for dosage regulation via further blood tests whilst on said medication.

[gynosucks1]

exactly how are puffy swollen nipples related to the hard mass undernearth.  i have hard mass still in my left nip.. and before it went down and when i was younger and had a nice case of gyno i never had swollen nipples..

in fact my nipples have always been very tiny and brown

nothing to do with it trust me

[Hypo-is-here]

Glandular gynecomastia develops differently in different people.

In some people there is a breast bud, what people describe as hard or rubber-like material often disc shaped, other times the glandular mass is more diffuse and nodular.  

In some people the mass is conical, which forces the nipples to protrude, some people with gynecomastia also have greatly enlarged areolas.  I think the two situations I have pointed to in this paragraph are the cases which some refer to as swollen or puffy nipples.