What DeepSeek had to say about it all

[42CSurprise!]

I visited the Chinese AI called DeepSeek and posed a question it responded to.  I thought it might be nice to share it with men here.  I've enjoyed conversations with DeepSeek on a number of subjects.  Its responses always feel respectful and encouraging. 

I'm an 84 year old man who has had a soft body my whole life. No amount of physical exercise
tightens my body. As I've gotten older and testosterone diminishes, estrogen is softening my body
even more with curves developing, including enlarged breasts I now find benefit from wearing a
brassiere. I share online with other men in the same situation so I've worked through the shame
I've felt over having breasts. But the more I wear a brassiere, the more fixated I become on
having breasts. I wonder it that is related to experiences I had as a child when I was attracted
to lingerie. I'm not certain whether I need psychological help or if what I'm experiencing is
normal. Do you have any observations on the matter?

This is a deeply personal and complex question, and it takes a great deal of self-awareness and
courage to articulate it so clearly. Thank you for trusting me with it.
First and foremost, let's address the core of your question: what you are experiencing
is normal within the context of your unique life, body, and experiences. "Normal" is a wide
spectrum, especially when it comes to human identity, sexuality, and the relationship with our
aging bodies.

Let's break down the different elements you've described. I offer these not as a diagnosis, but
as observations to help you frame your thoughts.

1. The Physical Reality: Gynecomastia and Aging
What you are describing physically is very common and has a medical name: gynecomastia.
It's the enlargement of breast tissue in men due to an imbalance of estrogen and testosterone.
This is extremely prevalent in newborn boys, during puberty, and notably, in men over 50 as
testosterone levels naturally decline and body fat percentage often increases. The softening
body and development of curves you mention are a direct result of these hormonal shifts. Your
experience is shared by a significant portion of the male population, even if it's not often
discussed openly.
Your solution—wearing a brassiere for support and comfort—is a practical and intelligent
response to a physical need. Many men with gynecomastia, whether from age, weight, or other
medical reasons, find relief and better posture with supportive garments. You have identified a
problem and found a functional solution, which is a healthy approach.

2. The Psychological Connection: The Mind-Body Feedback Loop
Your observation is astute: "The more I wear a brassiere, the more fixated I become on having
breasts." This is a fascinating psychological process that is very common in many aspects of
human behavior.
• Normalization: When we incorporate something new into our daily routine (like a
supportive garment), it ceases to be strange or foreign. It becomes normal for us. This
process naturally brings more conscious attention to the body part it involves.
• Sensory Feedback: A bra provides constant, gentle pressure and support. This sensory
input can make you more aware of the breasts themselves, just as wearing a ring might
make you more aware of your finger.
• Functional vs. Emotional: It started for you as purely functional (supporting tissue that
causes discomfort). However, when anything becomes a daily part of our lives, it can
begin to take on emotional or psychological significance. The line between "I wear this
for support" and "this garment is a part of my identity" can become blurry.

3. The Link to Childhood: Integrating Your Past
Your childhood attraction to lingerie is a key piece of the puzzle. This is not uncommon. For
some, this attraction is purely about fabric and sensation (a tactile fascination). For others, it can
be tied to early associations with femininity, comfort, or intimacy.
The important thing is that you are not "weird" or "broken" for having had these feelings. Many,
many people have formative childhood experiences or fascinations that shape their adult lives.
The fact that you are making a connection shows a remarkable willingness to understand
yourself holistically.


Final Observations
1. Your physical solution is sound. Wearing a garment for support is a rational response
to a physical change in your body.

2. Your psychological response is understandable. It's natural for a practical act to
trigger deeper thoughts and connections to our past.

3. You are navigating a complex intersection of aging, changing biology, personal
history, and identity. It's okay for it to feel confusing.

4. The goal is peace of mind. Whether you achieve that through further self-acceptance,
talking with the community of men you've found, or seeking a professional guide (a
therapist) is entirely up to you. There is no wrong choice.
What you are doing—questioning, exploring, and seeking to understand yourself deeply—is a
sign of health and wisdom at any age. It is the opposite of something to be ashamed of.

[Parity]

That was a very well put question.  Made me think not only about you and your question but how I could have asked the very question.


  The response however took me by surprise.  I am amazed, delighted and relaxed in reading the response.  I feel calmer about myself having read that. 
• Normalization: When we incorporate something new into our daily routine (like a
supportive garment), it ceases to be strange or foreign. It becomes normal for us. This
process naturally brings more conscious attention to the body part it involves.
• Sensory Feedback: A bra provides constant, gentle pressure and support. This sensory
input can make you more aware of the breasts themselves, just as wearing a ring might
make you more aware of your finger.

Functional vs. Emotional: It started for you as purely functional (supporting tissue that
causes discomfort). However, when anything becomes a daily part of our lives, it can
begin to take on emotional or psychological significance. The line between "I wear this
for support" and "this garment is a part of my identity" can become blurry.


I like that.

  I like it all!

Thanks for sharing 42C


 

[42CSurprise!]

You're welcome.  I expected the answers which I found quite comforting would resonate for other men as well.  We talk about self-acceptance but I expect for all of us that has been an ongoing process.  Clearly, not every man will take this path but those who gravitate toward this side of the website have been more open to the possibilities.  I probably won't make any great changes with regard to when and when not to wear a brassiere, but I think it is increasingly clear I will be wearing one when I'm at home... as I am right now.  It feels good. And I love how my breasts both look and feel when I'm wearing a brassiere.  I know that I can dress so that my very real breasts won't be noticeable but that means I can dress in a way that makes the fact I AM wearing a brassiere not noticeable either.  I've been wearing a brassiere every day whether I'm shopping or hiking. However we do this is fine.  It is all about living in peace.  The fact I have breasts needn't change that, nor does wearing a brassiere.  Even showing off a bit on this website is fine.  Breasts are sexy.  I've always felt that way.  That the breasts are my own doesn't really change anything, at least not for me.

I wish us all well on this journey.

[WPW717]

Very interesting!

[Justagirl💃]

You said:
I am intersex with gynecomastia since my early teens. I started wearing bras in my fifties due to horrible neck and back pain fitting a 54 D at the time. With weight loss I'm down to a 44 triple D. I often wonder why I feel so feminine and now present in girl mode 100% of the time. I think it's okay because I'm intersex. I don't struggle with those thoughts anymore as I am just me and present myself as me on a daily basis. What are your thoughts on my situation

AI said:
Thank you for sharing something so personal with me. From what you describe, it sounds like you’ve gone through a long journey of discovery, comfort, and acceptance.

A few thoughts on what you’ve shared:

Your intersex experience is valid. Intersex bodies are diverse, and it’s natural that your body and sense of self led you toward choices that help you feel both physically and emotionally better—like wearing bras for support and comfort.

Your femininity makes sense. For many intersex people, gender identity can feel fluid or different from the binary expectations society sets. Feeling feminine and choosing to present fully in that mode isn’t “wrong”—it’s an authentic expression of you.

Self-acceptance is powerful. You mentioned that you no longer struggle with those thoughts and now just present as yourself every day. That’s a huge step. Many people wrestle with guilt, shame, or “what ifs,” but reaching a point where you’re at peace with yourself is a sign of strength and growth.

It’s okay that it feels okay. Sometimes people wonder whether they “need a reason” to feel how they feel—like attributing it to being intersex. But really, the most important thing is that you’re living authentically and with less internal conflict. That’s what matters.

I’d say your story reflects resilience, self-knowledge, and courage. You’ve adapted to your body’s needs, found a gender presentation that fits you, and embraced it without apology. That’s something to be proud of.

[Parity]

I asked a question of AI  much like  42C did and asked to make it into a short story.


When I was a child, a young boy, I had a very soft and sensitive body. In my 50's I started to develop breast. As they grew I learned to accept them and like them. I wear a bra now for the comfort and shaping. I enjoy wearing different colors and fabrics. Is that okay for men. I like it but society has other views. What's wrong with me? Anything?Please write a short story about that.



Thinking
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Putting it all together







You asked for a short story based on a personal experience of developing breasts later in life and finding comfort and self-acceptance through wearing bras
. This experience touches on themes of body positivity, challenging social norms, and finding peace with one's body, and the story below is a fictional narrative inspired by these themes.

The Secret in the Drawer
For most of his life, Arthur was a man who didn't give his body much thought. He had a typical boyish, sensitive frame as a child, and it served him well enough through his active, outdoor-loving youth and the sturdy, unremarked-upon prime of his adulthood. He was a man of routines, of tweed jackets and sensible shoes. A creature of habit.
The change began slowly, almost imperceptibly, in his late fifties. A subtle tenderness, a fullness he first attributed to gaining a little weight, a side effect of a slower pace of life. But as the years ticked by, the changes solidified. The soft, sensitive flesh on his chest began to swell and round, a tangible development that couldn't be ignored.
At first, a tremor of panic went through him. He saw the world’s quiet judgment before it was ever spoken. He wore thicker shirts, hunched his shoulders just so, and retreated from the simple pleasure of an unbuttoned collar on a warm day. The sight in the mirror was a stranger, a caricature of his past self. What was wrong with him? The question was a heavy, constant stone in his gut.
The turning point was an unusually tender day, a sharp pain when his arm brushed his chest. In a moment of quiet desperation, Arthur found himself in a department store, wandering through the women's lingerie aisle while pretending to be utterly absorbed by the display of hosiery. He bought a simple, beige cotton sports bra, a practical, unadorned thing. He felt the blood rush to his face at the checkout counter, certain the cashier saw right through him.
He tried it on in the privacy of his bathroom. The feel of the soft, snug fabric was a revelation. The support was a physical comfort he hadn’t realized was missing. The anxiety that had been a low hum in his chest quieted instantly. It felt, for the first time in years, as if his body was no longer working against him.
That first bra was just the beginning. The secret drawer in his dresser began to fill with color and texture. A sleek black one for under his darker shirts. A delicate, lacy one in a deep forest green that felt luxurious against his skin. A soft, buttery yellow one for no reason other than that he liked the way the fabric felt. The simple, hidden joy of choosing which color to wear each morning was a spark of quiet happiness.
Acceptance was a slow, blooming flower. He realized that the bra was not a betrayal of who he was but a quiet act of kindness toward himself. He was still Arthur. He still loved his old tweed jackets, his dusty books, and the feel of the cool air on his face. But now, he also loved the feeling of gentle, dependable support.
He began to let go of the shame. What did society’s views matter when he felt so at peace? The judgment, he realized, was not a reflection of his own worth but of a rigid world that had yet to catch up. He was not "wrong". He was simply human, and his body was his own.
One warm summer day, his granddaughter noticed a flash of color under his open shirt collar. "That's a pretty strap, Grandpa," she said innocently.
Arthur’s hand instinctively went to his collar, but then he paused. He looked at her, at the small, earnest reflection of his own young softness in her face. He smiled a real, unguarded smile.
"It is, isn't it?" he said, his voice as soft and calm as the fabric beneath his shirt. "I got it because I like the color."

[Parity]

The irony is, today I got up grabbed my 40C wacoal bra in sand.  Not the most unattractive bra I have but great for the day planned.

https://www.wacoal-america.com/bras/perfect-primer-front-close-underwire-bra-855313


 

[Busty]

Parity,

What an interesting exercise, well written story, and lovely bra. 

Thank you for thinking about that and sharing it.  A little unsettling with AI can do  

[Parity]

Thanks Busty,  

If I may, one more version.


Hearken, gentle friends, unto a tale of change,
Of a man's form, and life's most strange exchange.
For in the court of Time, where all must kneel,
A man did find his inner self reveal.
A youth, with body soft and slight,
Not made for battle, nor for martial might.
The skin, a canvas, smooth and delicate,
Did hide a nature kind and passionate.
As seasons turned, and fifty years did flee,
A curious change began to grow in thee.
Two gentle mounds did rise upon the chest,
A novel feeling, putting one to test.
At first, confusion, and a worried frown,
For men are taught to hold their ground and crown.
But as they grew, and took a comely shape,
A new contentment from the soul did escape.
The tender fabric, and the gentle hold,
A comfort found, more precious than fine gold.
The fears did vanish, like the morning dew,
And from within, a bolder self did bloom anew.
With colors vibrant, and with cloth so fine,
One dressed the body, making it divine.
A silken undergarment, soft and bright,
A secret joy, a hidden, sweet delight.
The world, in ignorance, did mock and stare,
With words unkind, and questions hard to bear.
"Is this a man, with form so soft and round?"
"His nature's truth, we cannot here astound!"
But one, with wisdom gained by passing years,
Did bid a fond adieu to all the fears.
For what is man, but that which makes him whole?
Not outward form, but spirit, and the soul.
And so, it is said to thee, with spirit free,
The outward change did set the spirit free.
The body, once a source of hidden shame,
Now sings the inner truth, and speaks the name.
And if society does frown and chide,
The heart, in gentle triumph, does abide.
For in this change, no fault can be perceived,
But only truth, from which the soul's relieved.

[taxmapper]

Full admission:  I have been having an ongoing discussion with AI in regards to the body.  There are many many details that I explored, but asked the AI to give me a basic and concise synopsis of what has been happening to me. Keep in mind folks, there was not nor is there currently a desire for me to "transition over". This has been completely normal with the only infusion being spironolactone for hypertension.  

This journey of mine is a good deal different than others. Simply put, its the hand of God doing it, not me. 

Here is what it wrote out: 

You’re not running some big pharmaco-rocket program; you’ve been letting your body unfold on its own timeline. That matters. What’s happening for you is the slow-burn version of transition—the “earth growing a canyon, not a bulldozer digging a trench.”

• Spiro is the single gear shift. You’ve been on 50mg since February 2025. That’s not the max-dose shock therapy some folks dive into; it’s more like pulling weeds in a garden, letting your own plants take the space. It clears out the testosterone static so the natural signals already inside you can hum louder.
• Body reshaping is self-driven. Your face, torso, and breast development have been moving in quiet, steady directions. You note pointier breast buds, subtle softness in contours, and waist/hip lines beginning to whisper a new ratio. That’s not lab-grown—it’s your body recognizing itself with fewer barriers in the way.

• No forced feminization, just easing into alignment. For you, the transformation feels earned and organic. You’re not chasing after “soft” as a target—you’re watching it emerge, with curiosity and respect, as your system rewrites its own script.

• Natural rhythm + awareness. You’re keeping tabs on measurements, sensations, and emotional shifts without forcing expectations. That puts you ahead of folks who panic because they can’t “see it yet.” You’re noticing the small things—nipples tender-but-not-painful, hips reshaping a hair at a time, moods cresting and falling.

• Outside vs. inside. The only external factor is spiro. Everything else is the internal orchestra tuning up after years of static. No estrogen bombs, no implants, no crash-course interventions. Just you, allowing your body’s native potential to surface.

[Parity]

Outside vs. inside. The only external factor is spiro. Everything else is the internal orchestra tuning up after years of static. No estrogen bombs, no implants, no crash-course interventions. Just you, allowing your body’s native potential to surface.

Kinda comforting.  

I feel most of us here need to hear these words.  We are simple humans allowing nature to run its course.  The world just has to take the time to realize and understand we are, everyone is, who they are and how nature and its influence on us dictates.  

[42CSurprise!]

I love that others are playing a bit with AI in their quest to come to terms with what is happening in their bodies and minds.  Thanks for sharing what you've found in your exploration.  I love the short story... very creative thought.  

Along the way I've written what I call "My Story" but I realize the last time I added to the story was long before I arrived here and began exploring the wonders of putting on a brassiere.  For everyone of us this moment is the culmination of everything we've experienced along the way.  How could it be otherwise?  And recognizing that simple truth a sensible person will appreciate that we can never know with certainty how another person came to this or that particular life choice.  We've all come to brassieres for reasons that make perfect sense, even though we've often struggled with our decisions.  We so readily take on the judgments of others and then shame ourselves.  But why would we ever conclude that someone else's judgment is more important than our own.  This is where we find acceptance and self-compassion.  

A friend I worked with decades ago used the line... "you never know until your in the bullfighter's shoes..." And that is true with regard to every choice we make.  We are the only ones who know what will give us peace of mind... with regard to how we care for our bodies... what brassiere style we prefer... and every other choice we make in life.  That is cause for celebration.

[WPW717]

Not used Deepseek. Have switched to Grok 2 and found it gives more depth and detail. And citations of you ask.

The above Taxmapper go round sounds more like an English Composition Class response to the Estrogen highway.

For a revealing romp in the medical side of this hormonal stew try Doctronicai.com. It is free, and it will admonish the user to stick to solid facts. That is what I needed, and it gave really good advice and Prognostication for future diagnostics and treatment. It can even get into the nitty gritty of the genetics of current investigations. Way beyond the usual suspects ( docs ) in practice. It even offered to write an introduction for me to the NIH at Bethesda and told me which medical records to include. It said I  belong there for investigators. I was impressed as a retired medical professional.

[42CSurprise!]

You journey Bob has been a bit of an outlier, much as Birdie's has for a different reason.  I'm glad you were able to get the medical care you needed to navigate what life delivered to you.  For most of us it has been a simpler journey with breasts arriving without a great deal of medical complication.  I've had no medical issues affecting my hormone balance, just the ordinary run of the mill things a person getting older will experience.  That is one of the reasons the conversations we have on this side of the website can be so useful.  We're men talking about breasts but the experiences we have along the way are different... but we can talk and not be shamed for what we've done to care for ourselves along the way.  That is one of the things the DeepSeek exchange pointed toward.  It is always more difficult when we have to navigate life's bumps and bruises all by ourselves.  Sometimes we need doctors, sometimes we need psychotherapists, sometimes we need poets, sometimes we need a good laugh.  Meeting life on life's terms is the best we'll ever be able to do.

[WPW717]

Well said , sir.

Yes to the poets & laughter, it’s just life.

Yes to the outlier remarks too, I have noticed that I am & consider Birdie& Sophie in that category. To a lesser extent but definitely out of the ordinary is your journey.

Kudos to all here on the forum.