Opposite End ? hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)

[Traveler]

Thank you Tax! My point made abundantly clear.

[taxmapper]

Ill throw this in for good measure then digress: 

Scrubbing data in any analysis is designed to rid the data of built in biases. A thermometer 20 years ago surrounded by trees wont read the same as the same exact spot now sitting next to asphalt and concrete. A doctor int he UK uses Day Month Year, while in the US it Month Day Year. So what day is 5-3-20? 

People love to show statistics and Mark Twain be damned, they will use whatever they see justifies their own perspective. Its when actual real trends pop up we see this play true on one side or the other. Watch social media, the news, or any other media trend and see if the claims are true. 

Ironically, the point on the surgical transition spear is Iran. They have one of the top tiered transition teams int he world, in an fundamentalist Islamic nation!!!! 

Rasoul Akram Hospital is one of them. 

So the Twitter-X stuff is more hyperbole than anything else. 

[bobb]

How is putting out there that up to 30% regret having the surgery torturing the 70% left?

[Justagirl💃]

How is putting out there that up to 30% regret having the surgery torturing the 70% left?

Perhaps 'streamlined' transitioning found common in recent history have caused many regretful young people.  But to deny services to those that really need it because a few were talked into it only to regret it later is not right either. 

I'm at the other end of the spectrum.  The day-centre is again talking to me about dress codes, long purple hair included. At least they haven't brought up double mastectomy again. 
"Living in sin" mentioned in one on one witnessing during the many devotional days at the centre. My need for conversion thrown in my face like it's an American necessity. 

I was born this way, and have no intention of changing anything surgically.  I would regret surgery for religious reasons myself.  

There is not a 'one size fits all' procedure for anyone with gender dysphoria,  and that goes for both sides of the political spectrum.  It's individual, and needs careful consideration.  

[WPW717]

Gender dysphoria  ? ? ?

Never had it until recently. Born male lived male, grew boobs and now a eunuch.  What am I ? Not male, not female, thankfully there’s a contingent that says a eunuch is the third gender / sex.
All I can say is it’s not a bit of concern for me now. And to put the question to rest,  yes, there is a ‘eunuch calm’.

Not wanting to open a worm can, this should be taken as mild humor & sarcasm.

[Justagirl💃]

Gender dysphoria  ? ? ?

Never had it until recently. Born male lived male, grew boobs and now a eunuch.  What am I ? Not male, not female, thankfully there’s a contingent that says a eunuch is the third gender / sex.
All I can say is it’s not a bit of concern for me now. And to put the question to rest,  yes, there is a ‘eunuch calm’.

Not wanting to open a worm can, this should be taken as mild humor & sarcasm.

Yes, regardless of who we are or individual circumstances, we all must come to terms with 'who we are' somewhere on the spectrum.  
That can be anywhere on the gender spectrum, varying by individuals.  

"Gender dysphoria" is real, and not just another mental disorder that needs curing. Everyone on this side of the website I'm sure has looked down at those breasts and thought, "what am I?"

[WPW717]

Understand it’s real, saw it in my practice long before retirement.

My readings have shown most outgrow it by late teens/ early 20’s.

[JKing]

Again, your opinion. Again, Epoch Times. Again, less than 1% percent regret surgery. Guys, when an article says “
“many” and not actual numbers it is immediately suspect. I’d suggest going to actual medical sites on transgender information and not relying on a site that has a religious bias.

The 1% number is coming from DEEPLY flawed studies.  Evidence suggests that it is closer to 30%
https://segm.org/regret-detransition-rate-unknown

YOU say deeply flawed. Please provide evidence that multiple peer reviewed studies are “deeply” flawed. Even if it’s close to true, it’s not, please explain how torturing the 70+% is good for you.

"... torturing the 70+%..."  let's not be hyperbolic.  No one is suggesting torturing the 70%. They still deserve help and support through difficult times. But medical and surgical intervention delayed while being cared for is far less damaging than medical intervention on a confused and questioning teenager. 
And to point to earlier studies that were better that state only 1-2% regret fails to identify the changes in policy in the intervening years.  Medical and surgical intervention was only given after extensive psychological support. These individuals were not pressured by gender ideology, nor given tacit affirmation to their statement that they were transgendered.  So we don't know how many through realistic analysis about their life and other potential causes for mental health concerns decided they weren't transgendered and just gay, or depressed, or *insert some other mental health issue*.  So with strong gate keepers ensuring the patient was truly suffering from permanent gender dysphoria before being given medical and surgical processes to support them would ensure a much higher satisfaction rate than we are starting to see now. 

[Traveler]

How is putting out there that up to 30% regret having the surgery torturing the 70% left?

It’s called gatekeeping, forcing everyone with gender dysphoria to jump through extra hoops because the gatekeepers think they know better. It’s like if you’ve never had depression, telling people to just be happy. If you’ve never had anxiety, telling people to just get over it. If you’re not a medical professional, telling them they’re wrong for following studies and best practices. Like telling people who are immunocompromised to stop wearing masks. It’s those people who think they know better based on their personal bias.

[taxmapper]

This is where I see something that Ill try to keep uber simple. 

The gatekeeping is a remnant of older times when the "establishment" saw things from a purely bipolar system.  This is a remnant of Victorian times.  

The nuance is nothing new. The fact still remains that a long history of "third, forth, fifth" genders have been recognized throughout history.   

Having had to be "learned" on this point especially after my own breasts started to grow, tell you that we still have alot of social adjustment to take place.  

[bobb]

i thought they were talking about under aged people not adults.

[Justagirl💃]

i thought they were talking about under aged people not adults.

My intervention started in my teens orchestrated by my parents. The prescribed treatment was testosterone injections and drastic lifestyle changes to promote a more "acceptable" outcome. It did nothing to cure me of being intersex, nor who I was deep down inside. It only masked the problem creating years of depression and self sabotaging.

What  is decided upon by the professionals in our teens does not
always have a perfect outcome.

That's why careful consideration on individual cases is required to best fit the real needs of the child/person.

That being said, transitioning mills being set up with minimal counseling pumping out as many trans individuals as possible without careful consideration is a bad idea. It shouldn't be a fad, or the "thing to do,"

It should look for the best outcome of the child/person regardless of political agendas or beliefs. 

[Gyno64]

Very well put! Thank you Birdie.

Reason I posted that article in the first place is because I'm ADHD and was a Ritalin child. I also have dyslexia. Or I I've often said Lisdexia. Lol. I have to still to this day put so much effort into spelling and word definition. Trouble paying attention in school. 
  Thankfully I'm not in the autism spectrum. Which made me wonder if there was a connection with ADHD and autism related to gender dysphoria in some children?
I'm strongly secure in my male gender. But I do have my fetish's for I have been very sexually driven throughout my whole life. But I still I wonder if there is a bridge connection with ADHD and autism some ware there that needs to be carefully looked at upon the , well I'll say it. So called Medical professionals? No wonder it's called a practice. Lol.
Just moving forward, always Greatfull for another day.

[WPW717]

Ouch !