Surgery on steroids

[vaio]

Hypo, he doesn't care about what you have to say. He has expressed this over and over. Don't post back to him. It will only fuel the fire. Just my 2 cents. Unless you want the arguement to continue on?

[STILLgotIT]

Hypo , lets sum this up. You admit that you are not a doctor so thats out of the way. The problem that I have if someone asks a question about Propecia you come on and say stay away from it just because you have spoken to a few doctors or read a journal. This is such a small board that one persons opinion can greatly effect the community. Opinions that cannot be proven should be stated just as opinions. If I were you I would show both sides of the arguement and just present the facts. Propecia side effects do include Gyne but only in less then half a perecent which is very small. Most trained professionals came to the same conclusion that the test subjects that developed Gyne probably had it before the started taking the drug. Also the side effects are very low but like anything else you always hear about the bad things because people who are happy dont watse their time on message boards.

Give people both sides of the story. Show people where to find the info they need do not force feed them with the opions of a few people you know

pumpseeker, haven't you noticed? Hypo knows everything. You don't stand a chance with your puny opinion against his. Just resign yourself to the fact that you're just an average dude and are not worthy of hypo's kind bestowments.

[hypo]

WHAT IS THE F-ing point in having any knowledge whatsoever if you’re just going to be attacked for being knowledgeable?

Ignorance is the new knowledge here, ignorance is acceptable and knowledge is to be derided and the same premise applies to intelligence, with dumb being acceptable and intelligence something to be derided.

People can PM me I can't be assed with this sh!t anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll leave you to mull over your messed up logic and ignorance.

I am restricting my posts to people who specifically ask me questions or who are new and genuine and not people with bodybuilder mentalities.

All you lot can do is hurl insults and make asides and barn burn/sling mud.

None of you support anyone despite the fact this is a support site, none of you understand endocrinology at all and simply resent the fact that someone else can help…

Well-

Well done you have drove me away because I can spend my time more productively elsewhere helping people and not having to put up with such feeble minded crap.  

P.S

The irony is depite my unpopularity for every jumped little so and so like Vaio, pump and stillgot, who spew misinformation and twaddle, there has been about ten times the number of people that I have helped here via PMs for over a year.  

[jc71]

"The irony is depite my unpopularity for every jumped little so and so like Vaio, pump and stillgot, who spew misinformation and twaddle, there has been about ten times the number of people that I have helped here via PMs for over a year."

I'm one of them and I know of several others too.  I'll let them go public if they want.

Keep up the good work hypo.

[NJguy]

pumpseeker,

I have just come back from a funeral so my mood isn't good.

But I tell you what I am prepared to have this discussion and make you look a darn fool, just so people can see your dangerous position for what it is.

I take steroids for a hormone condition- every day.  

I am in contact with patients who have been taking steroids for a combined 100years + I have read many, many books on related subjects.  I have read many books specific to testosterone the endocrine system, have obtained much of the latest research in this and many related areas of interest, am in contact with some of the worlds leading endocrinologists and have studied the pathology reports of my own and over a hundred or so other men.

Oh and I am a lay member of the andropause society.

So come on.....start the ball rolling.

Present your position in full that refutes what I have had to say so I can pull the wings off your pathetic arguments (yes I have pre-judged them).

In short put up or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

hypo i suggest U SHUT THE FUC#*@K UP BEFORE I COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND RIP UR AS@S APART LIKE I USED 2 DO!

[hypo]

I thought we had seen the last of the really ignorant jock based 'he who shouts loudest' mentality on these boards, but it is back and I’m not going through all this all over again.

The latest offerings from pump and NJ guy are just typical of people who are entirely ignorant of the substances they are taking, who will come unstuck in time.
 
But who in the meantime will resort to swearing, shouting down etc and make putting any message across almost impossible.

There are few questions that they could help anyone with when it comes to endocrinology, questions that I could answer and help with, but they and other jocks like them such as Vaio just shout that down despite the fact they have no understanding of these matters and could not answer or help with 99.9% of questions that relate to these matters-

But of course they are right despite there complete lack of understanding and I am wrong.

They must be for they have the last word and they say things like, 'I'll kick your ass'.  

People can look forward to the great advice and support coming there way.

I'll still be around and be pm-ing but that is it.

It's just too difficult trying to get information across to be worth the time and the effort when I can be more productive elsewhere on properly moderated boards.

P.S

NJ- you can't kick anything via an electronic medium.

You can swear now and don't worry, there will be no response.

[vaio]

I thought we had seen the last of the really ignorant jock based 'he who shouts loudest' mentality on these boards, but it is back and I’m not going through all this all over again.

The latest offerings from pump and NJ guy are just typical of people who are entirely ignorant of the substances they are taking, who will come unstuck in time.
 
But who in the meantime will resort to swearing, shouting down etc and make putting any message across almost impossible.

There are few questions that they could help anyone with when it comes to endocrinology, questions that I could answer and help with, but they and other jocks like them such as Vaio just shout that down despite the fact they have no understanding of these matters and could not answer or help with 99.9% of questions that relate to these matters-

But of course they are right despite there complete lack of understanding and I am wrong.

They must be for they have the last word and they say things like, 'I'll kick your ass'.  

People can look forward to the great advice and support coming there way.

I'll still be around and be pm-ing but that is it.

It's just too difficult trying to get information across to be worth the time and the effort when I can be more productive elsewhere on properly moderated boards.

P.S

NJ- you can't kick anything via an electronic medium.

You can swear now and don't worry, there will be no response.

Hypo, you need to shut the F*ck up and stop crying about all this bullsh*t. Im sick of your bit*hing nature.
You think you are a Doctor. You are not.  You have alot of knowledge about certain things. Good for you. So do I, so do others. To each his own. You need to learn to be open minded. Stop attacking people because they disagree with you. You are not always right. You cannot accept being wrong. Thats a fact! You need to grow up.
Stop beating a dead horse with a dead stick.
If someone doesn'tt want to listen to you, than don't speak to them. Its as simple as that.

[vaio]

And stop saying I have no understanding yadda yadda yadda.

I am not saying what my actual profession is (confidential reasons) but I do have a 4 year degree and working on a masters in a health care profession.  

I've been through anatomy 1, 2, and 3. Microbiology 1 and 2. Gen chemistry, Environmental chemistry, General Psychology, abnormal psychology, medical terminology. etc etc. etc etc. Not to mention I graduated with a 3.7 GPA
Have you been through thoes classes or any of them?
NO, you are a computer major. Totally different.
I have an outstanding idea of how the human body works. lol..Don't say I don't!

You are a "master" of the Endocrine system. You have been through first hand issues in your life dealing with
your endocrine system. You have alot of knowledge about it because you went through it and read up on it.
Good for you! A single body system is nothing. All body systems work togather as a whole. You basically know a fraction of what you are actually talking about.
You are far deep into the Endocrinesystem. Thats your
"specialty" I can sometimes catch things from your writings that make no sense in connection with the basics.
If you are so sure of what you are saying, you wouldnt have to try to prove it to everyone.   

The medical documents you copy and paste, you understand. Good for you. 1, 2, or 3 reports say "this" or saying "that" means nothing. I am sure there are just as many reports that say the opposite.  

Just like the Andractim issue. There are no before and after photos on here showing what Andractim will do. Yet because there a few papers where it has worked, you preach about it like its a religion. You say "it will work". Than when patients go to their Doctors they do not prescribe it to them. So they buy it illegally, and waste a few hundred $$ and there are no results.
If it works so well in many cases, there would... A. be many before and after photos available shows its possible results. B. Doctors would be prescribing it like water.

If you say something and someone contracdicts you, ACCEPT IT. Don't cry about it. You voiced you opinion, they voiced yours. End of story. No need to carry on.

Thats all I have ever seen you do. Even when I first came on this board. I remember how you use to b*tch around with Gruff. And man others. Now including me.
You are the kind of person who always thinks hes right and always has to fight with people, in order to feel a sense of being. You need to GROW UP and stop acting like a know it all.
Its very annoying when someone makes a post and you ruin it. You do it way to often. You said what you said. Leave it at that. Don't continue on trying to prove yourself.  

If you actually believed in yourself, you wouldnt have to make others around you believe in you. Thats all you are doing. Trying to proove yourself.  


PS. Please don't write back to me. I have better things to do than fight with a geek thousands of miles away from me.

**I am just informing you why there are always constint problems dealing with YOU and other members on this site. Hopefully one day it/you will stop.

 

[pumpseeker]

I feel like I started a war on this board. I am sorry to all if I have caused unwanted noise on this board. I was just trying to make a point that everyone's views should be respected. A message board will loose its affect if one person is constanlty posting his views as medical facts. I have know medical knowledge what so ever( I am a Options Trader) but I have been involved in the underground world of steroids for over 10 years. I have many friends who have gyne(myself included). The knowledge that I have is useless to most people on this board but when I do have an oppinion I would like it to be heard without a dominating poster(Hypo) slamming a medical study down my throat. Like Vaio said for every report that shows a particular result there is another report that will contradict.

I am having my Surgery done this Thursday so wish me luck.

PS.
When I am on my Anabolicsteroid board I am constantly reffering people to this site when they ask about Gyne. i just want to know that the people that i send here get to hear everyones opinion wothout one dominant poster who just clutters the board with onsided medical reports.


Peace

[NJguy]

I thought we had seen the last of the really ignorant jock based 'he who shouts loudest' mentality on these boards, but it is back and I’m not going through all this all over again.

The latest offerings from pump and NJ guy are just typical of people who are entirely ignorant of the substances they are taking, who will come unstuck in time.
 
But who in the meantime will resort to swearing, shouting down etc and make putting any message across almost impossible.

There are few questions that they could help anyone with when it comes to endocrinology, questions that I could answer and help with, but they and other jocks like them such as Vaio just shout that down despite the fact they have no understanding of these matters and could not answer or help with 99.9% of questions that relate to these matters-

But of course they are right despite there complete lack of understanding and I am wrong.

They must be for they have the last word and they say things like, 'I'll kick your ass'.  

People can look forward to the great advice and support coming there way.

I'll still be around and be pm-ing but that is it.

It's just too difficult trying to get information across to be worth the time and the effort when I can be more productive elsewhere on properly moderated boards.

P.S

NJ- you can't kick anything via an electronic medium.

You can swear now and don't worry, there will be no response.

lol u can keep repeating that....u have NO idea about the subject of steroids or its effect on the human body....u only know what u see in the media and find on ur stupid anti-yahoo sites....look at the media, their so stu##pid that they picture steroids taken IV instead of IM! anyone who takes 2ccs of oil to the vein will die yet the media shows steroid users injecting like this...lol....how many direct causes of steroid use deaths? 0...how many of alcohol? millions upon millions....shu@@t the fuc@@@ up and learn what u say....oh and didn't the entire BOARD ask u to leave? they did! and u wrote like 10 posts that u were gona leave ect and NO ONE asked u to stay...now that the older members have less time to go on this board, u come back and start teachin cra@p to younger members....do everyone a favor and disappear or don't ever bring up a subject u know nothing about

[vaio]

....oh and didn't the entire BOARD ask u to leave? they did! and u wrote like 10 posts that u were gona leave ect and NO ONE asked u to stay...now that the older members have less time to go on this board, u come back and start teachin cra@p to younger members....

I remember that.

[NJguy]

Hypo, you need to shut the F*ck up and stop crying about all this bullsh*t. Im sick of your bit*hing nature.
You think you are a Doctor. You are not.  You have alot of knowledge about certain things. Good for you. So do I, so do others. To each his own. You need to learn to be open minded. Stop attacking people because they disagree with you. You are not always right. You cannot accept being wrong. Thats a fact! You need to grow up.
Stop beating a dead horse with a dead stick.
If someone doesn'tt want to listen to you, than don't speak to them. Its as simple as that.

haha bro....thats hypo...mr. expert on all....to bad he gets all his info from stupid made up bullshi2 internet articles with no evidence writen by an unknown someone who "said this and that does this and that"


oh and hypo yeah ur a real and only expert; no one knows anything except u...2 bad i proved u wrong in every single discussion we had and u never had any scientific data just ur uneducated opinion.

[jc71]

Hey NJ, Pump & Hypo.  Do any of you guys know what effect testosterone has on the endocrine system?  How about the pituitary or leydig cells? Just curious. Thanks guys.

[theweeninjaguy]

get the offending lump removed and then when you're on your next cycle take precautions.

it's EASY to stop gyno on cycle. either by using anti oestrogens like priviron or arimidex or by using oestrogen blockers like nolvadex.

there's no need for you to get gyno due to steroids - all you need is the correct advice.

also i'm guessing that you never did pct at the end of your cycles? in which case the gyno was caused by oestrogen rebound and your testosterone crashing as you came off - at a guess.

ninja

[theweeninjaguy]

Hey NJ, Pump & Hypo.  Do any of you guys know what effect testosterone has on the endocrine system?  How about the pituitary or leydig cells? Just curious. Thanks guys.

exactly what are you wanting to know?

when you come off cycle - yo uhave no natural test and your HPTA - hypothalimus petuetary testies axis is totally screwed.  youv'e stopped the exogenous test so the only hormone in your body is oestrogen - girlie hormone - BAD!

that's why you get gyno following a AAS cycle.  it can also take months for your natural test to recover so it's imperative that you run post cycle therapy PCT

ninja