Hail from Finland!

[ensiferum]

Hi all!

First off lemme start by saying that this is a great forum! Finally a place where one can share experiences about this embarrassing "problem".

I remember growing some breast tissue back when when I was a tad over 10 years old. Somewhere between 12-13 perhaps.  So, that's a bit over 10 years ago.

All these years I have been painfully aware of my disfigurment, but have never been able to put a name on it... untill today I saw this documentary on TV. "Boys with breasts", british documentary I think.

Feels great to finally be able to discus this thing with people who are in the same spot or either have been there in the past.

As far as the mental damage goes... well there certainly is some. I have always had friends and such, but every now and then someone has made a painful remark... you know the type. I think most people havent done it on purpose, or in order to be mean. They have Just been untactful and blurted it out.

Over the years with training I have built a fair amount of muscle and strenght so I suppose most people wont even take them as "breasts" but rather large chest. Especially with my shirt on. Also recently I have been able to discus this thing with my current girlfriend and make a few sarcastic comments myself. (Thank god, she does have bigger breasts than I do :p)


And in order to make my introduction complete I shall post a few pictures of myself as well.

The first one isnt so bad. Especially with the black shirt and camera looking at me from above. Sideway is much more uglier then.  But the rest... urhg.. you be the judge..  

http://groups.msn.com/98ghr/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1

http://groups.msn.com/98ghr/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2

http://groups.msn.com/98ghr/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3

http://groups.msn.com/98ghr/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4

As far as the statistics go, I'm 190cm and 110kg. (Those breasts must be a good few kgs each, I reckon...) I must say that during my insane wannabe power lifter period during which I gained quite a bit of bf and went all the way up to 122kg my breasts were a bit bigger. However, few months ago while I was weighing mere 107kg they still were of the same size as they are now.  Therefore I'm inclined to think that even if I cut down mass heavily they wont decrease in size, but I will only be left with no muscle AND the breasts. NOT something I want...

On that note it seems as if that for each 1kg of flab that I loose my breasts decrease 1% in size, but for each 1kg I gain the grow 10% in size. Has anyone else something similar?

Over the last 6 months I have seriously started to think about surgery. I have the money for it. Just not sure how it  would affect my training and such. I.e. how long break and sick leave do I have to take and will the outcome be worth it?

On top of that I have serious plans to take a long trip to Australia later this year. (Would be really nice to be able to walk a beach down there without feeling insecure and unaccomplished...though)

Thanks for reading.

[headheldhigh01]

thanks for posting.  you might have to be a little careful at first with exposing the scars to sunlight, but your doc should be able to give you a sense of timeframe.  a post-op guy from the board posted happily from bali last year, so make your plans.  

[findude]

Hi ensiferum,

Here's another Finn with the same problem  

Just being curious about the price of the surgery here in Finland. Do you have an estimation of the costs/quote for the surgery? If yes, can you please share details on that.

Cheers!

[ensiferum]

hello findude.

I have just been frantically searching the web for a finnish plastic plastic surgeon who performs these operations. Most hospitals etc. just seem advertise female breast operations.

However I was able to find these two

http://www.revalclinic.com/Finland/Kirurgia/miehille.htm

http://www.fastiron.fi/index.php

The first company seems to be operating in Estonia, so I doubt I would ever use their services. The latter one on the other hand doesn't advertise itself as a hospital with plastic surgeons.  (Dunno what it really is then. )

Bottom line, I really dont want some quack perform some half ass job on me.

If you got any good information/links, please share.

[vaio]

Without this site I doubt I would have even gained the motivation and security to go about with the surgery. I finally did it yesterday. Absolutly no regrets what so ever. I also have a nice muscular build, where my gyne was disguised with a shirt on. It look like all muscle, especially when it was cold out. Get it taken care of. Good luck with the surgery .


Vaio

[saile]

where'd u have it done vaio?

[ensiferum]

Found two other places that perform this operation. Mehiläinen and Eiran sairaala. Both in Helsinki.

I contacted a plastic surgeon at Mehiläinen, via email a week ago. No response yet. Also called Eiran sairaala today. I agreed to send my questions/pictures vial email to some email address there and they would deliver them to the appropriate plastic surgeon. Also found out the price. Between 1400-2400 EUR depending on whether you're gonna be spending the next night in the hospital or not. The price was a positive surprise, I must say. Not sure however if the person I was talking to got it all right. Sounds a bit low, imho. Regardless it seems promising.

On a second note, can someone tell me how to figure out whether the breast growth is fat or gland?

[findude]

I got price information from the Nordström hospital  (http://www.nordstromhospital.fi/). Prices vary from 1450 to 4200 euros depending on the doctor and whether the operation is done under anaesthesia or narcosis.

I also sent email to one surgeon on Mehilainen but have not received answer. Probably should try to call them...

I have at least the gland tissue. It's kind of hard tissue on top of the muscle layer. You can feel it easily when examining the chest by fingers.

I would think the fat version to be more similar to normal fat = soft.

Let me know if you get more price info from somewhere else. I'm not actually in too big hurry with the operation at the moment because have to save some money anyway...

[findude]

Found another place using the Google:

http://www.plastiikkakirurgipalvelu.net/

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GYNEKOMASTIA,  1310 €
pp, polikliininen

GYNEKOMASTIA,  2620 €
yleisanestesia, 1 vrk osastolla
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[findude]

In case someone interested in male boobs   , here's few photos of mine:

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/findude3/album?.dir=/14c1&.src=ph&.tok=phdFQuCBj84P3dAT

[ensiferum]

Little update.

Haven't heard back from either hospital. Eiransairaala or Mehiläinen.  They seem reluctant to provide any reasonable service. They probably have their reasons but as a potential customer that is definitely a push away.

Findude: The other site you posted (http://www.plastiikkakirurgipalvelu.net/),  they seem to operate in the middle of nowhere, so I already counted them out.

On a really positive note. I called Nordstrom's Hospital. The woman answering there said they were really busy and that they would call me next week, asked my number name etc. However just 30 mins later I got a call from them and I spent next 20 mins on the phone getting (finally) some good information and service.  Agreed to send some photos to her via email, and she promised to get back to me next week with surgeons estimation on the type of operation and price.  Had some initial time plans as well. Typically the first pre-operation appointment is within 3-4 weeks from the first contact and the actual operation within a month from that.  So with any luck I could be scheduled for an operation by May already. That would be just in time for the summer!  

About the price. I was told that *most* of the time there is a need to cut gland, i.e. make a small incision around the aerola and go in. Thus most operations require narcosis and spending the night in the hospital. I.e. operations are in the 2400EUR -> range.

Findude: haha, nice boobies. Mine are bigger though. You loose!  

[findude]

Companies really shouldn't put their email addresses/feedback forms on their websites in case they are not willing to answer...  

The company "middle of nowhere" operates about 220 km from Helsinki so it's only about two hours drive. If the price difference would be significant I would consider them as one option.

But glad to hear there's lot of options available

[ensiferum]

With all the hospitals I have now checked out the price seems to be between 1400-2400. So I suppose it just comes down to being able to select the best surgeon.

Anyway, I dont live in the capital area and I dont own a car. So I'll be flying to Helsinki and then back. Thus hospitals outside the capital area are out of the equation.

[findude]

Hi ensiferum,

I thought you lived in capital area probably due to the hospitals you listed..  

I sent my pics to the doc listed on the plastiikkakirurgipalvelu.net website and got back estimation of 2700 euros.  The docs have receptions in Kouvola and Kotka. And the operating hospital would be in Jyväskylä... Would require quite a lot of travelling.... .. .

Cheers!

[ensiferum]

Hello findude,

at least you have gotten a response. I'm running out of patience with these fucktards. I mean c'mon. What's the point of having a question form or info email address if they never even intend to reply.  

I suspect I should start a second round this time just calling them up.