Author Topic: *Calling All Doctors* - New Study About Lipo - Thoughts?  (Read 3025 times)

Offline hatemymoobs

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I came across an interesting study about fat redistribution after liposuction. I believe the study was done in women- not sure if it would be any different in men, doubt it.
Liposuction has been around for years so surely this is either false- or somehow no one ever noticed this? ???

Would any doctors on here please comment on this new study?

From the article on The New York Times



"The woman’s hips bulged in unsightly saddlebags. Then she had liposuction and, presto, those saddlebags disappeared.

Photo after photo on plastic surgery Web sites make liposuction look easy, its results transformative. It has become the most popular plastic surgery, with more than 450,000 operations a year, each costing a few thousand dollars.

But does the fat come back? And if it does, where does it show up?

Until now, no one knew for sure. But a new study, led by Drs. Teri L. Hernandez and Robert H. Eckel of the University of Colorado, has answered those questions. And what he found is not good news.

In the study, the researchers randomly assigned non-obese women to have liposuction on their protuberant thighs and lower abdomen or to refrain from having the procedure, serving as controls. As compensation, the women who were control subjects were told that when the study was over, after they learned the results, they could get liposuction if they still wanted it. For them, the price would also be reduced from the going rate.

The result, published in the latest issue of Obesity, was that fat came back after it was suctioned out. It took a year, but it all returned. But it did not reappear in the women’s thighs. Instead, Dr. Eckel said, “it was redistributed upstairs,” mostly in the upper abdomen, but also around the shoulders and triceps of the arms.

Dr. Felmont Eaves III, a plastic surgeon in Charlotte, N.C., and president of the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, said the study was “very well done,” and the results were surprising. He said he would mention it to his patients in the context of other information on liposuction.

The finding raises questions about plastic surgery. Liposuction has been around since 1974 and is heavily advertised. Why did it take so long for anyone to do this study?

Maybe it’s because such a study is very difficult, said Dr. Samuel Klein, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the Washington University School of Medicine. It takes a team of researchers, and money. Fat must be measured precisely, with scans.

And surgery, said Jonathan Moreno, an ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania who has studied the field, is not like other areas of medicine.

“A lot of it has to do with the culture of surgery, which is literally hands-on,” he said. Surgeons, he added, often feel a deep connection to their patients that makes it difficult for them to agree to clinical trials that involve randomizing patients.

Another problem, Dr. Moreno said, is that different surgeons have different skills and different techniques. Surgery is not like taking a drug, where one pill is just like every other.

So instead of doing rigorous studies, surgeons tend to innovate, inventing their own procedures and publishing anecdotes about patients, a practice that can be misleading.

But in this case, the outcome did not depend on the surgeon. It depended on the biology of fat. And obesity researchers say they are not surprised that the women’s fat came back. The body, they say “defends” its fat. If you lose weight, even by dieting, it comes back. And, the study showed, if you suck out the fat with liposuction, even if it’s only a few pounds — it was about 5.8 pounds for subjects in the study — it still comes back.

“It’s another chapter in the ‘You can’t fool Mother Nature’ story,’ ” said Dr. Rudolph Leibel, an obesity researcher at Columbia University.

Some researchers have their own anecdotes. Dr. George Bray, a professor of medicine at Louisiana State University, once saw a young woman who was so distraught by her protruding abdomen that she had an operation to slice off some of her abdominal fat.

“Her lower abdomen was considerably thinner,” Dr. Bray said. “But the areas above it picked up the extra fat.”

Then there are the studies with laboratory rodents that had fat surgically removed. The fat always came back. And, like the women in the new study, the rodents got their fat back in places other than the place where it was removed, Dr. Klein reported. They grow new fat cells to replace the ones that were lost.

The same thing happened to the women who had liposuction. It turns out, Dr. Leibel said, that the body controls the number of its fat cells as carefully as it controls the amount of its fat. Fat cells die and new ones are born throughout life. Scientists have found that fat cells live for only about seven years and that every time a fat cell dies, another is formed to take its place.

But why wouldn’t the women grow new fat cells in their thighs? The answer, Dr. Klein said, may be that liposuction violently destroys the fishnet structure under the skin where fat cells live.

Nonetheless, the women in the study who had liposuction were happy, Dr. Eckel said. They had hated their hips and thighs and just wanted that fat gone.

As for the women in the control group, when the study ended and they knew the results, more than half still chose to have liposuction."

« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 09:32:00 AM by hatemymoobs »

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Doctors (and liposuction patients) please see the article I posted in the other forum.
https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/index.php?topic=23276.0

That liposuction is not an alternative to weight loss is nothing new, it is a campaign I have been waging here and on the internet for many years. You can use the search tools on this forum for my thoughts on weight loss and gynecomastia and issues of losing weight is a coarse tool and plastic surgery is better for refinement. Plastic Surgery is not an option to jump start the process as some have advocated both here and elsewhere. Thankfully some have changed their tune and are coming on board what I have been advocating. Get the weight off first, let the skin catch up, and then, if there are residual issues, then consider surgery.

If someone has not stabilized their weight, and are still increasing fat, the fat will go back on in the remaining fat cells. If losing weight, then the weight will come off in the pattern for typical body fat distribution pattern, and for men there will be more fat left on the chest and belly since it comes off those areas last.

Hope this helps,

Michael Bermant, M.D.

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What about for someone like me...
I have been around 175-180 for a few years, now I'm down to 165. I'm 5'10" or so.
My arms, face, neck, legs are all thin. My love handles have excess fat, some on the abdomen, and of course some on the chest.

If I were to have liposuction to contour the shape of my torso, is it possible over the years if I gain some weight it won't gain in those areas but instead focus entirely on other areas never treated by lipo?

Before I've read that weight gain would be uniform throughout the body. If you don't have lipo and gain weight that shape will remain the same just get larger. If you do have lipo and "fix" those problem areas and then gain weight in the future- you'll gain wait uniformly but with your new shape.

The article makes it sound that when you regain weight none of it goes to the treated area and it all goes somewhere else.
Is this true?

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Bear in mind, this is one article only.  Also, there was no scientific measurement of where fat did accumulate after lipo and +/-weight gain.  It is highly likely that some increase in the lipo'd areas did occur, but not as much as the other areas.

It all points out that the intricacies of fat/weight metabolism, the hormones involved, and the individual cell's responses are basically unknown.

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Dr Bermant and Dr Jacobs, see below. This was taken from part of the actual study. It's pretty confusing to me. Perhaps you MD's can make some sense of it.
Thoughts?


The study:
nature.com/oby/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/oby201164a.pdf

From NY Times:
nytimes.com/2011/05/01/weekinreview/01kolata.html





Fat Redistribution Following Suction Lipectomy: Defense of Body Fat and Patterns of Restoration

Teri L. Hernandez, John M. Kittelson, Christopher K. Law, Lawrence L. Ketch, Nicole R. Stob, Rachel C. Lindstrom, Ann Scherzinger, Elizabeth R. Stamm and Robert H. Eckel

No randomized studies in humans have examined whether fat returns after removal or where it returns. We undertook a prospective, randomized-controlled trial of suction lipectomy in nonobese women to determine if adipose tissue (AT) is defended and if so, the anatomic pattern of redistribution. Healthy women with disproportionate AT depots (lower abdomen, hips, or thighs) were enrolled. Baseline body composition measurements included dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DXA) (a priori primary outcome), abdominal/limb circumferences, subcutaneous skinfold thickness, and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) (torso/thighs). Participants (n = 32; 36 ± 1 year) were randomized to small-volume liposuction (n = 14, mean BMI: 24 ± 2 kg/m2) or control (n=18, mean BMI: 25 ± 2) following baseline. Surgery group participants underwent liposuction within 2–4 weeks. Identical measurements were repeated at 6 weeks, 6 months, and 1 year later. Participants agreed not to make lifestyle changes while enrolled. Between-group differences were adjusted for baseline level of the outcome variable. After 6 weeks, percent body fat (%BF) by DXA was decreased by 2.1% in the lipectomy group and by 0.28% in the control group (adjusted difference (AD): −1.82%; 95% confidence interval (CI): −2.79% to −0.85%; P = 0.0002). This difference was smaller at 6 months, and by 1 year was no longer significant (0.59% (control) vs. −0.41% (lipectomy); AD: −1.00%; CI: −2.65 to 0.64; P = 0.23). AT reaccumulated differently across various sites. After 1 year the thigh region remained reduced (0.77% (control) vs. −1.83% (lipectomy); AD: −2.59%; CI: −3.91 to −1.28; P = 0.0001), but AT reaccumulated in the abdominal region (0.64% (control) vs. 0.42% (lipectomy); AD: −0.22; CI: −2.35 to 1.91; P = 0.84). Following suction lipectomy, BF was restored and redistributed from the thigh to the abdomen.

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If anything this is sort of hopeful - After having surgery we can gain weight and it might not necessarily go right back to our chests.  I'd MUCH rather the weight go on my hips/stomach because it would probably inspire me to lose weight in those much more accessible areas...


 

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