Chestrockwell, Im sure you believe that theres nothing wrong with your habit and you have made some attempt at an earnest argument that (until your last post) hadnt degenerated into personal insults like your chums, however if you go on a medical internet site that is regularly visited by a fairly large number of emotionally vulnerable people; some of whom are quite young; and you encourage foolhardy and health damaging drug use for leisure purposes,however indirectly, then Im going put you straight.
I dont really care whether the established steroid users here continue to use steroids or not, as a tax payer and a private insurance premium payer I would prefer that they are made to fund corrective treatment themselves especially as many peoples entirely non steroid inflicted gyne (including mine) is ineligible for help from either venerable institution.
And I did read your post, Im afraid that comparing recreational steroid abuse to the taking of aspirin and paracetamol to relieve pain is as specious as it is irrelevant.
Your third metaphor regarding alcoholism however was interesting, I have had my own experience of substance abuse and experience of people who were users and there is nothing like a drug addict/alcoholic in full denial that sounds so much like the steroid users whove posted here.
So come along everyone, theres nothing wrong with steroids, they dont do your body any harm as long as you 'know the risks'; and dont listen to anyone who says they do.
Not much harm no, except for to cause every steroid user on this site to grow female breasts.
Jesus.
.Im sure you believe that theres nothing wrong with your habit
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Again you jump straight in dont you, i havent got a habit!, why you may ask?, because steroids are not addictive! they are derivatives of testosterone the naturaly produced male hormone so you saying my habit is wrong for a start!.
. you have made some attempt at an earnest argument that (until your last post) hadnt degenerated into personal insults like your chums
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My last post may have seemed as tho it had degenerated but i was following your lead, as you say that people who use steroids are stupid!, and you will probabley find that im far from being stupid, but this didnt stop you insulting me when all i wanted was some plain advice about gyno.
. you encourage foolhardy and health damaging drug use for leisure purposes,however indirectly, then Im going put you straight.
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If you read again you will find that i never said that i condone the use of steriods!, all i am trying to do is explain that somthing can be used in a safe manner if precautions are taken, you attaked me remember all i am doing is defending my corner.
. dont really care whether the established steroid users here continue to use steroids or not, as a tax payer and a private insurance premium payer I would prefer that they are made to fund corrective treatment themselves
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I couldnt agree more with this statement, i asked about BUPA because they have a Cosmetic surgury department and the cost of male breast reduction (Gyne), the proceedure is around £4500 so i wanted to know if anybody had any feedback on them, i didnt expect to be insulted, i just thought it was a large amount of cash and wanted to know if they had good feedback!, people have self induced ilnesess from, smoking tabaco, drinking alcohol, taking recreational drugs such as anphetamines, extacy, and yes paracetamol its still self induced!, Car crashes from driving dangerously the list goes on and on but these people get treated without a second thought but as soon as you say steroids every body jumps on there soap box and starts to preach.
. And I did read your post, Im afraid that comparing recreational steroid abuse to the taking of aspirin and paracetamol to relieve pain is as specious as it is irrelevant.
From this i was trying to show you that we are put at risk every day from substances that you think are harmless, i know the risks assosiated with steroids and i take all the necersary precations to make sure that i am safe and will remain safe.
. So come along everyone, theres nothing wrong with steroids, they dont do your body any harm as long as you 'know the risks'; and dont listen to anyone who says they do.
Again you have forgotten what i said, i said "if a drug is used and the person that is using these drugs doesnt know how to use them safely and doesnt take ancillery drugs to counter side effects they can have some of these side effects" , i never said they are harmless and i dont need to listen to you!, what knowlegde have you got about steroids well apart from the amazing piece that you pasted here earlier.........er......hmm.....None!,thats right nadda....nothing... zilch.
. Not much harm no, except for to cause every steroid user on this site to grow female breasts.
Well thats a coincidense this site is designed primarley for people with gynecomstia, ofcourse every steroid user on here is here because steroids have given them gyne, why else would they come to a gyne site?, your a funny guy, only people that dont use correct ancillary compounds to combat gyne or they are predisposed to getting gyne will get it whilst using steroids or heavy doses of highly aromatisable compounds will cause this.
I bet you drink coffee dont you?, well caffeine is a stimulant (drug) but again its accepted... but it is a killer!.
Here are a few statistics and info showing the mortality rate of every day perfectley safe and accepted compounds (yeah right!).
Caffeine: HEART DISEASE, HEART PROBLEMS, FIBROCYSTIC BREAST DISEASE, ULCERS, HEARTBURN, DEATH.
chemical name:1,3,7-trimethylxanthine; 1,3,7-trimethyl-2,6-dioxopurine; coffeine
Tabaco:The leading causes of death in year 2000 were (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths)
Alcohol deaths: 85,000
poor diet: poor diet and physical inactivity ('365,000 deaths; 15.2%), of us total deaths
heroin: There are between 500,000 and 1 million heroin addicts in the United States
motor vehicle crashes: (43,000) died in year 2000
incidents involving firearms (29,000) died in year 2000
sexual behaviors (20,000), died in year 2000
illicit use of drugs (17,000). died in year 2000
(1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated "7,600" deaths and "76,000" hospitalizations in the United States (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)
Peoples views
”If you look at the hard facts, steroids can be used effectively and safely. Yes, they do pose a risk and can cause many bad side effects. However, the truth remains, responsible steroid use will usually cause no permanent side effects.” — anonymous
”What I fail to understand is why healthy adults are unable to legally purchase things that will allow them to add a few pounds of muscle and feel better about themselves. Alcohol and tobacco yet remain perfectly legal. I am sure no one will argue that those two products have contributed to way more deaths than steroids ever will.” — Mark
”When someone uses anabolics and ignores common sense, then yes there is a heavy price to pay. Just as if someone smokes cigarettes and drinks alcohol (that can be purchased at the corner store) on a daily basis for a few years will end up paying a heavy price.” — Erick
”Forget all that roid rage nonsense, it just isn't factual. Alcohol and cigarettes kill way more than anabolics ever will.” — Marc
”The ephedra scare was another flop by the FDA. Alcohol kills people and it's legal, just like lung cancer-causing cigarettes. But who cares? Nobody. Say the word "steroid" and the MEDIA goes insane. Why is that?”—
Q: Do you have statistics related to the number of deaths and injuries from using steroids?
A: There are no reliable figures relating to the number of deaths and injuries related to the use of anabolic steroids or other performance-enhancing supplements. Prevalence of use data among adolescents found in the Monitoring the Future study has been between 1.5% and 3% historically, with a recent downward trend. In addition, neither the National Survey on Drug Use and Health nor the Drug Abuse Warning Network - both conducted by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration - provide information on steroids.
Well in the light that there are no reliable figures i will have to use the percentages stated here to do a little math.
TOTAL DEATHS in us in year 2000 = 1,197,877
Deaths from alcohol = 85,000
Deaths from Tabaco = 435,000
Deaths from poor diet and physical inactivity 365,000
Deaths from ilicit drug use direct and indirect =17,000
Deaths from steroids = 1.5%of 17,000 = 269 deaths
Even if steroids accounted for 1.5 % of the total death rate of the us in 2000 it would still fall way to the bottom of the scale at 17,000 deaths
I speak facts not hysteria.. and i still do not condone the use of steroids but the facts speak for themselvs, the goverments CONDONE the use of alcohol and tabaco and the sale of junk food and they are the 3 biggest killers in the USA so please dont try and make out im some kind of crazed steroid pushing dealer that will tell you anything to sell you some gear, i speak facts and from facts this is were i make my decisions, that is why i dont drink alcohol, that is why i eat healthy, that is why i only drink tea and not coffee, that is why i dont do recreational drugs like cocaine ecstacy and so on.
In the UK it isnt an offence to use anabolic/androgenic steroids for your own personal use!, however it is and offence to sell and distribute them!.
Again i will say i dont codone the use of steroids, and i dont condone the use of alcohol, or junk food, or coffee, or smoking.
This is my last post regarding steroids!, im came for gyne information and ive played along at your game for to long, i have given you fact after fact and yet you still ignore them, well thats your choice m8.
If you have any constructive advice regarding gyne (and please dont bring steroids in to the coversation again) it will be welcomed.
Thanks for the advice guys.
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