Men and Breasts

[42CSurprise!]

I'm glad  you got all that off your chest Moobzie.  I guess we won't agree on this topic.  I certainly have no intention of debating it here.  I really used his statements from a long form interview I watched on YouTube as the launching point for discussing my relationship to what we discuss on this website, not because I want to take this thread in such a direction.  If you want to debate the subject I've no doubt you'll find places for such conversations.

[WPW717]

What Moobzie said …

p. s. Home from surgery and doing well

They got the correct gland and adenoma
on the first go.  Yea

[benusa]

I’m so glad it went well. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

[Johndoe1]

What Moobzie said …

p. s. Home from surgery and doing well

They got the correct gland and adenoma
on the first go.  Yea

Continue a speedy recovery and all the best!

[WPW717]

Thanks to all

[42CSurprise!]

Thanks to all

Happy to hear you had a good result.  Take exquisite care of yourself.

[HeldUp]

He didn't, but he took time away from his wife regularly so he could wear women's clothes and spend time as a woman.  His wife didn't want to know about those "holidays" from their marriage and eventually she gave up on the relationship.

Not every relationship is accepting and/or understanding. Perhaps his wife was understanding but his life was too far away from the direction she wanted to go? It's sad when relationships end, sadder when marriages do, but nothing in this world is permanent. Not one single person is the same one they were 10, 20, 30 years ago. Choice is what you have when you go out to eat or are shopping for shoes, it's not something we do about who we are. How we present ourselves or how we accept ourselves and others, sure. To minimize, or ostracize, people by saying their life is a choice is beyond reductive; it is ignorant and shallow.

[42CSurprise!]

...To minimize, or ostracize, people by saying their life is a choice is beyond reductive; it is ignorant and shallow.

Well said.  We have no control over our endocrine system which means we have no control over how our bodies develop.  When we inhabit bodies that don't conform to what a culture considers acceptable we invariably experience challenges.  No matter how many miles one spends running wide hips and a round bottom aren't going away.  Yes, we can pay a plastic surgeon to cut off our breasts but men here have been saying they don't want to do that.  Breasts are a product of the hormonal stew that is shaping the rest of our bodies and our minds.  Men here are willing to entertain these possibilities without dictating "reductive" choices.  I'm grateful for the openness of this conversation... of the men here willing to talk about these things as they unfold in their lives.

[Sophie]

Breasts are a product of the hormonal stew that is shaping the rest of our bodies and our minds. Men here are willing to entertain these possibilities without dictating "reductive" choices. I'm grateful for the openness of this conversation... of the men here willing to talk about these things as they unfold in their lives."

I can say that when I first joined this site about 12 years ago, I was content with just being able to discuss with others about the benefits of wearing a bra as a man. There wasn't much of any acceptance of anything beyond that. 

There was quite a bit of animosity of any discussion about any beyond a bra. I had mentioned in a comment once that when I was 16, I had my first bra fitting and I also started wearing panties as well that same day because basically, I preferred them to tighty whities. I explained that my fitter thought that I was a girl because of my breast development and my long hair that I had and asked me if I needed any panties to go with the bras my mother was buying for me. I was met with quite a bit of rude comments. The membership at the time didn't feel that anything outside of a basic, plain, black, beige, or white bra was acceptable to discuss. 

I was so terrified to let my friends here learn about my transition to womanhood.  I still wanted to be ACCEPTED. To my amazement, everyone was truly accepting of my choice to become who I always was. 

I am very happy yo still be a part of this accepting forum. Just the fact that we understand that we are who we are and we have whatever hormones that we have. We understand and know what's right for us. Im proud to be a part of this diverse group that is accepting of each other whether you put on jeans 👖 and boots 👢 or a dress 👗 and heels 👠 to go to work. 

♥️Sophie♥️

[42CSurprise!]

I appreciate what you say Sophie.  I feel as though I've been pushing against that restrictive attitude ever since I arrived here.  It has been a struggle at times but gradually the conversation has opened up and you've had much to contribute with your honesty about transitioning.  Every journey is unique however we respond to what our body is doing.  Yesterday I was checking out at a favorite retailer and a man I've mentioned before was in front of me.  He is perhaps in his mid to late fifties, tall and slender.  He was wearing a flared miniskirt and a tank top beneath which I could see the lines of a breast plate that included two prominent breasts with erect nipples poking through the thin material of the top.  He seemed to want attention but I averted my eyes.  I've often thought I should talk with him to ask what this is all about for him.  Clearly, he is not dealing with the hormonal stew that gives us curves and breasts, but he seems determined to present as a woman with prominent breasts.

Funny, as I glanced at myself in the mirror this morning, my rather voluptuous breasts held in my favorite brassiere showing prominently in my turtleneck shirt, I thought I should tell him THIS is how I'M contending with my femininity... a man who loves his breasts too... real breasts not silicone breasts.  What a world we live it!

[Justagirl💃]

Breasts are a product of the hormonal stew that is shaping the rest of our bodies and our minds. Men here are willing to entertain these possibilities without dictating "reductive" choices. I'm grateful for the openness of this conversation... of the men here willing to talk about these things as they unfold in their lives."

I can say that when I first joined this site about 12 years ago, I was content with just being able to discuss with others about the benefits of wearing a bra as a man. There wasn't much of any acceptance of anything beyond that.

There was quite a bit of animosity of any discussion about any beyond a bra. I had mentioned in a comment once that when I was 16, I had my first bra fitting and I also started wearing panties as well that same day because basically, I preferred them to tighty whities. I explained that my fitter thought that I was a girl because of my breast development and my long hair that I had and asked me if I needed any panties to go with the bras my mother was buying for me. I was met with quite a bit of rude comments. The membership at the time didn't feel that anything outside of a basic, plain, black, beige, or white bra was acceptable to discuss.

I was so terrified to let my friends here learn about my transition to womanhood.  I still wanted to be ACCEPTED. To my amazement, everyone was truly accepting of my choice to become who I always was.

I am very happy yo still be a part of this accepting forum. Just the fact that we understand that we are who we are and we have whatever hormones that we have. We understand and know what's right for us. Im proud to be a part of this diverse group that is accepting of each other whether you put on jeans 👖 and boots 👢 or a dress 👗 and heels 👠 to go to work.

♥️Sophie♥️

Well said 😘

Not everyone will go the route of transitioning, but it is one of many paths in the estrogen highway. 💃

[42CSurprise!]

Perhaps opening the conversation contributes to the fact it is slowing down.  It is easy to talk about breasts and the "need" for brassieres, but reflecting on other changes in our bodies and minds is a bit more complicated.  It seems clear that most men here are content as males which means transitioning isn't going to happen.  Your situation Birdie is quite unique.  I don't think we have anyone here who is intersexual except you.  It is lovely to witness your comfort with where you are in life with both breasts and a body that is rather unique.  Sophie made her choice some time ago and is very happy with how it has played out.  That is lovely to witness as well.  Thank you both for sharing as you do. 

The rest of us are left to our own devices... perhaps beginning with shame and resistance, then only with much thought and experimentation coming to some form of acceptance.  But that is surely not one size fits all either.  For some it is a rather matter-of-fact putting on brassieres and going on with life, often supported by wives who've come to peace with our curvaceous bodies.  That isn't me, however.  My venture into putting on a brassiere is very private and erotically charged... that despite the fact my libido is much diminished.  Doubtless the estrogen that gives me voluptuous breasts and curves comes with diminished testosterone leading to smaller genitals and fleeting virility.  My body is sensitive to touch but in a very different way than I've known my whole life.  That is the package deal for me.

How do we talk about these things?  Not so much it appears.

[Johndoe1]

  My body is sensitive to touch but in a very different way than I've known my whole life.  That is the package deal for me.

How do we talk about these things?  Not so much it appears.

I think we process it as what is happening then how is/does this effect me. Personally as I have increased size over the years, I have noticed not only a physical change in size and shape but also in sensitivity. My breasts react more like women's than men's. So I have had to deal with them more like a woman. But this change has also seen a reduction in male things like libido and empathy more feminine. I have become more soft hearted and can cry much easier than I used to. I have always been able to cry but these days, it doesn't take much and being able to control my emotions are becoming harder and harder. And as my E to T ratio has changed more towards estrogen, so has the emotional as well as the physical. I find myself not liking being around men very much and have to put up a facade more and more. Even now I don't feel like I am in the wrong body, I feel like I am straddling two worlds diametrically opposed and trying to navigate both. The physical is coincidence. 

Where would you like to start the conversation?

[Justagirl💃]

Not to Discount the need for talking about different types of bras, concealment, and outerwear. These are and shall always be important aspects of conversations on this site. 
The vast majority of 'men' visiting this side of the site (acceptance side) are struggling to 'fly under the radar'. That as totally understandable. 

There is of course only so many times one can compliment someone's current bra choice and photo while avoiding the other aspects of the journey. 

The same estrogen that made them girls grow is changing much more than just the chest!

Those changes for some like myself became apparent during puberty, for others it was much later in life. The extent of those 'changes' varies between individuals as well. Not everyone will or needs to leap into a skirt. 

If we talk about acceptance, those changes need to be part of the conversation regardless if they are 'comfortable' or not. 

I grew up cooking, sewing, designing clothes, and making wedding cakes. My early teens closely matched my hormones and body. I was quite lucky in that aspect, at least until my late teens when my father stepped in to 'correct things'. 

My formative years prepared me for my future that was only 'delayed' by intervention and peer pressure. 

Who knows better than yourself where you fit on the spectrum, and we should all be searching for that 'comfort zone' for ourselves, but discount all the peer pressure around you and search truthfully. You can't Truly find acceptance until you open yourself up to it. 

[taxmapper]

Given the bouncing around aspect of discussion lately, I figured I could comment here. 

I am of the camp that this estrogen flux is defiantly affecting my mind thought. 

I just watched a video of a young female running the tube in the ocean and the gopro on the front of her board recorded her reaction going out of the tube. 

And during this whole video, I could actually feel being in her body and feeling the sensation in the bikini, in the shape of her body and feeling exulcerated feeling like I was suddenly female. 

Perhaps its just the hormones., but it felt great.