tamoxifen with creatine?

[surferdude]

man...so you're saying that the tamoxifen will hinder muscle-gain?

[cptam]

Absolutely…. At only 10mg per day, IGF drops nearly 30%. I wish I still had the link to the study…. It was very eye opening!!

I have a puffy nip on my right side…. I remember noticing it in 7th grade and it has never gone away.

I would tell you that if I get real lean it is almost unnoticeable… But still there.

I do use gear, and always run Nolva @ 10mg per day while on. Honestly, I still make great gains. More importantly, my puffy nip has never gotten any worse!!

[surferdude]

have you considered surgery?

[cptam]

Yep...... January 07. No more issues!!

[surferdude]

oh and what do you mean by gear? steroids?

[Sir_Puffs-a-lot]

Sorry guys….. You have creatine all wrong!!!

Creatine is the most studied nutritional supplement in the world..

-"The primary concern with creatine and kidney damage is the lack of data documenting the effects from long-term use of this supplement."... "Little is known about the long-term effects of using creatine." We actually know very little about the long term side effects of creatine! In fact, the FDA doesn't regulate it, even though many physicians have possible concerns about heart and liver damage, but there aren't any studies done on it yet...we know much more about the effects of androstenedione and protein than creatine; but you are right about creatine not effecting estrogen or testosterone. You nailed it with the new Creatine ethyl ester too, which allows for more efficient absorbtion of creatine into the muscles via attatching to fatty tissue, seeing as creatine monohydrate is tough for the body to store. Thus, you don't need to take as much, and the risk of any adverse effects is lowered. So no, you don't NEED it to work out, it just allows for more ATP to be readily available to your muslces for a workout. However, it also retains water in the muscles, accounting for the larger appearance in such a short time, but increasing the risk of dehydration during any taxing activity. Creatine monohydrate IS produced in small amounts naturally by the body, or can be obtained in fish and some other meats, so it's not like it's some crazy lab molecule. Just wanted to clear that up!! I wouldn't worry so much about the two compounds canceling each other out, or affecting each other. If you think the tamoxifen is affecting you muscle gains, as cptam suggests, I would stop taking it. Holla! - J.

[surferdude]

i guess i should see an endocrinologist to see if i actually do have gyne or just puffy nipples. because like i said, my nipples look totally normal when they're cold and shriveled up. i just thought i might have gyne because i feel these rock-like substances behind both my nipples. not sure if that's normal tho, since i've never felt another man's pec.

[Yoshi]

Cptam, I highly discourage you from reading www.bodybuilding.com if that's where you get your facts. Maybe read up the actual papers from governmental studies rather than an amalgamation of websites.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=creatine+testosterone&spell=1 (enjoy)

Surferdude it comes down to this: Is your doctor trying to harm you in some way or trying to help you? Would it kill you to be safe and listen to your doctor? Does it really make sense to not listen to your doctor and assume something doesn't conflict with medication because one guy said it wouldn't even though creatine has not been as thoroughly studied compared to pharmaceutical drugs? Would you rather be safe and possibly reduce your breasts or do you want to risk it getting bigger but you still get to take your creatine?
I think common sense proves the victor.

[cptam]

Cptam, I highly discourage you from reading www.bodybuilding.com if that's where you get your facts. Maybe read up the actual papers from governmental studies rather than an amalgamation of websites.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=creatine+testosterone&spell=1 (enjoy)

Surferdude it comes down to this: Is your doctor trying to harm you in some way or trying to help you? Would it kill you to be safe and listen to your doctor? Does it really make sense to not listen to your doctor and assume something doesn't conflict with medication because one guy said it wouldn't even though creatine has not been as thoroughly studied compared to pharmaceutical drugs? Would you rather be safe and possibly reduce your breasts or do you want to risk it getting bigger but you still get to take your creatine?
I think common sense proves the victor.

Yoshi…

Thanks for the link….. However the study is vague and hardly conclusive….. Any study that says something MAY impact a specific function or process does not do much for me…….

BB.com… Hardly my friend… Never trust the seller of any nutritional product.. I actually use very few supplements.

SD… Yes gear = steroids…. As I have said many times prior. … Before anyone jumps on me about my decision to use, I am an adult (38), highly educated, and work within the medical field…. I do not take my use of steroids lightly nor recommend them for most people….. But HEALTHY males over the age of 30 can use them with little to no medical repercussions!!


Peace…

[istillgotit]

ok i went to the dr today about my gynecomastia, and she prescribed me tamoxifen, as i asked for it, seeing many on this forum using it with good results. but she advised against taking creatine with it since it deals with testosterone and estrogen as well. well i really don't wanna stop, because i workout every day and am trying to get ripped by the summer. she said there hadn't been any studies done to see if the 2 conflicted, since creatine isn't over the counter or prescription, it's considered herbal or whatever. i was just wondering if anyone on this board has taken creatine along with a type of medication for gynecomastia. please let me know. thanks!

A little off topic, but, what type of doctor prescibed tamoxifen?  I went to my doctor with hopes of getting this drug and she said no way, it's for cancer patience only.

[surferdude]

i just went to my regular family doctor. i'm the only male she's prescribed it to, but she realizes it's not just for breast cancer. it was hilarious at the pharmacy, they were wondering how the hell it could be for me. they asked me what i was getting it for and i told them it was none of their business, so they called my doctor to make sure she gave me the right prescription.

[Yoshi]

Yoshi…

Thanks for the link….. However the study is vague and hardly conclusive….. Any study that says something MAY impact a specific function or process does not do much for me…….

BB.com… Hardly my friend… Never trust the seller of any nutritional product.. I actually use very few supplements.

SD… Yes gear = steroids…. As I have said many times prior. … Before anyone jumps on me about my decision to use, I am an adult (38), highly educated, and work within the medical field…. I do not take my use of steroids lightly nor recommend them for most people….. But HEALTHY males over the age of 30 can use them with little to no medical repercussions!!


Peace…

What exactly do you do in the medical field? I thought the liver will be affected regardless of age?

[Yoshi]

What exactly do you do in the medical field? I thought the liver will be affected regardless of age? I guess the liver just gets immune to everything when above the age of 30?  

[snugs]

Sorry guys….. You have creatine all wrong!!!

Creatine is the most studied nutritional supplement in the world..

Now for a few facts!!!!

Creatine Monohydrate in its raw form is in-fact hard on the kidneys…
Between 1980-1995… That is about all you could get and yes, some studies demonstrated it to be taxing on the kidneys.

Most of what is available today is not raw creatine.

Most creatine comes in a carbohydrate transport system to help shuttle the creatine thru the body and dramatically improve absorption.

With the advancements of Creatine Ethyl Ester I suspect things will only get better in reference improved absorption and utilization of the product.

Remember Creatine and Protein are apples and oranges… A balanced training program and diet will likely include both.

I can be more detailed if you like on the specific mechanisms and metabolic processes of either product if you like…. Just ask!!

I see no issue with taking creatine and your Tamoxifen..

Peace,

cptam

This man is correct.

[kicka]

ye through personal experaince tamoxifen defo hinders growth. ive just run a course and ran tamoxifen all the way through it and i got alot of gains but defo not what i usually get.