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[Johndoe1]

Crazy. May I ask what condition causes it? Seems like ultimate betrayal by the body to convert when balancing like a practical joke on the hormone level lol

Some bodies react differently under certain conditions 

[Traveler]

Crazy. May I ask what condition causes it? Seems like ultimate betrayal by the body to convert when balancing like a practical joke on the hormone level lol

Some bodies react differently under certain conditions

And, as always, your mileage may vary. 😂

[Johndoe1]

I know it sounds like a flippant answer, but if I had not already shown a tendency to have an estrogen sensitivity (my pronounced breast growth), I suspect she would have proscribed a regimen of testosterone HRT. Her big concern was that I would feminize more due to aromatization, which is the reverse of what would be intended. She was concerned that it might not be the healthiest move to make.

[Sophie]

I know it sounds like a flippant answer, but if I had not already shown a tendency to have an estrogen sensitivity (my pronounced breast growth), I suspect she would have proscribed a regimen of testosterone HRT. Her big concern was that I would feminize more due to aromatization, which is the reverse of what would be intended. She was concerned that it might not be the healthiest move to make.

Agreed. This is not necessarily "new" knowledge. Teenage boys cans have lesser, but similar breast development because of the amount of testosterone that floods their bodies during puberty. This is why my family doctor, almost 40 years ago didn't think that testosterone was going to be the answer for me. 

I am externally grateful that I developed the way I did. For the most part, I accepted my development. I wasn't sad or upset about the fact that I had breasts and hips instead of body hair and muscles. I just would have made it much more difficult to be accepted for who I was meant to be. 
♥️Sophie♥️

[Justagirl💃]

I know it sounds like a flippant answer, but if I had not already shown a tendency to have an estrogen sensitivity (my pronounced breast growth), I suspect she would have proscribed a regimen of testosterone HRT. Her big concern was that I would feminize more due to aromatization, which is the reverse of what would be intended. She was concerned that it might not be the healthiest move to make.

Agreed. This is not necessarily "new" knowledge. Teenage boys cans have lesser, but similar breast development because of the amount of testosterone that floods their bodies during puberty. This is why my family doctor, almost 40 years ago didn't think that testosterone was going to be the answer for me.

I am externally grateful that I developed the way I did. For the most part, I accepted my development. I wasn't sad or upset about the fact that I had breasts and hips instead of body hair and muscles. I just would have made it much more difficult to be accepted for who I was meant to be.
♥️Sophie♥️

A sports doctor put me on testosterone for 2 years starting about 17. It didn't "fix the problem" like they expected, much to my father's dismay.

I too am very grateful I never developed much body hair. I am exactly who and what I am. 

Birdie 💝

[Johndoe1]

I know it sounds like a flippant answer, but if I had not already shown a tendency to have an estrogen sensitivity (my pronounced breast growth), I suspect she would have proscribed a regimen of testosterone HRT. Her big concern was that I would feminize more due to aromatization, which is the reverse of what would be intended. She was concerned that it might not be the healthiest move to make.

Agreed. This is not necessarily "new" knowledge. Teenage boys cans have lesser, but similar breast development because of the amount of testosterone that floods their bodies during puberty. This is why my family doctor, almost 40 years ago didn't think that testosterone was going to be the answer for me.

I am externally grateful that I developed the way I did. For the most part, I accepted my development. I wasn't sad or upset about the fact that I had breasts and hips instead of body hair and muscles. I just would have made it much more difficult to be accepted for who I was meant to be.
♥️Sophie♥️

Recently I was asked by a close female friend if I had it to do again would I prefer to be flat chested or develop breasts. Off the cuff answer would be flat chested but upon a little reflection  I admitted never having been flat chested, I don't know what it's like to not feel the weight of mammary tissue hanging off my chest or the movement of that tissue. How do you do flat chested? All the things I know because of my chest I wouldn't have a clue and the relationships I have with my close female friends would be based off testosterone and not estrogen. I asked her would she rather be flat chested? She admitted has thought about it because of all the stuff you go through with breasts, but she said no. Her breasts help define who she is. They remind her who she is. And that's how I feel too. I would be devastated if I lost my breasts. They're all I know. 

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I have only vague memories now as a pre teen being flat chested. Having boobs is all I have really known.

[Traveler]

I have only vague memories now as a pre teen being flat chested. Having boobs is all I have really known.

I have no memory of being flat chested. My earliest memory about my chest is trying to hide what appeared to be a soft chest do to being told I was overweight (barely) by trying to pull my arms back to make them seem smaller. Turns out my high testosterone was aromatizing, by a lot.

[Justagirl💃]

I remember the budding stage quite well as I was looking at them in the mirror wondering how big they would grow. I never really thought much about them until they started growing I suppose.

[WPW717]

The aromatizing remark really struck me. I had the soft chest in puberty and outgrew it. The flat chest evaporated for me very fast. I started down a genetic path that took a while to develop into a defined disease entity. Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia. Started out with falling testosterone as the nuts quit. The aromatase converted to estrogen reversing the T E ratio. The pituitary system tried to flog the testosterone levels higher so the estrogen aromatase system was fed more testosterone turning into gynecomastia  
Followed by parathyroid tumor and an MRI identified adenoma called Prolactinoma. It fleshed out the milk ducts and alveolar structures in the breasts.
It was the opposite for me, flat to 44 D in 18-24 months. It took that long to figure out what was going wrong too. The last of its manifestation will be taken care of Tuesday with a bilateral orchiectomy as there is tumor formation starting there. Testosterone level has been unmeasurable for over a year so …. 👋.

[Evolver]

Congratulations on your proactive approach Bob, and the ease at which you have your head around it all. Educating yourself about your health issues over the past couple of years has paid off in spades.

Good luck with your orchi, it is a quick and simple procedure from what I understand. Most men would do anything to avoid one due to nothing more than being hung up about it, but that's their problem.

Betcha couldn't have imagined a couple of years ago how comfortable you would be with a decent rack and no boys!

[Sophie]

Congratulations on your proactive approach Bob, and the ease at which you have your head around it all. Educating yourself about your health issues over the past couple of years has paid off in spades.

Good luck with your orchi, it is a quick and simple procedure from what I understand. Most men would do anything to avoid one due to nothing more than being hung up about it, but that's their problem.

Betcha couldn't have imagined a couple of years ago how comfortable you would be with a decent rack and no boys!

Yes! This! Good luck with your orchiectomy. It IS a big deal, but it sounds like you will benefit greatly from having it. I know that it was different for me, however, I ALWAYS felt that my girls were an asset while the boys were a liability. As long as you are healthy and happy.

♥️Sophie♥️

[WPW717]

No need to concern myself with morning wood any longer.  (Bilateral orchiectomy) I have come to understand that my body likes to turn testosterone to estrogen via aromatase. With 4 conditions that promulgate calcium loss and bone density reduction the new focus for me is preventing osteoporosis. Health care providers have united with my encouragement towards being proactive in preventing this. Since T is not a good choice due to many factors ( age, BP, history of cancer) a low dose estrogen patch is in play. After 6+ weeks on this the estrogen levels are still not registering on the blood work. But I do feel the effects. Performance and endurance in the gym are increasing .
To Dudewithboobs point there’s a high degree of individuality and an immense difference small changes make in our bodies. It’s an amazing machine and it’s a long journey to understand how it works. We all must remain vigilant about our health especially in the face of our devolving health care system.
Kudos to all here who share their knowledge and experience for the betterment of us all. I have explored some pathways mentioned here that were found to be irrelevant to me but in doing so I learned things that focused my attention towards what was important. It clarified a confusing clinical picture that took 4 years to solve, it even baffled the doctors. There is a tunnel vision that has developed in modern medical education. 
As an aside the pathology report came back with a no cancer verdict.

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People take and push supplements all the time with the simple logic that they are "natural" and must be healthy. What could go wrong?  But whether natural or not they are a drug and need some investigation / consultation. Particularly if they are a bit exotic and outside of the box, or pushed buy a "health supplement" store.

You really can't assume too much with the things we consume.

[WPW717]

What a giggle I got out of pay- tients 

The shoulder shrug comment is a blast from my past as the urologist for 2 years ignored the US report of ‘possible nascent neoplasm’  with a smile and shoulder shrug. Calls me 3 weeks ago after another US of the gonads showed a set of growths. You need surgery! Thankfully the pathology showed it wasn’t cancer. No more shoulder shrugs.!

Stay strong everyone 🦾