I love having boobs!

[TracyH]

When I was in High School my math teacher reached up and poked me with her pencil right on one of my breasts. This really confirmed to me that I had boobs and as a teenager struggling with gender issues it didn't help. 

Tracy

[Parity]

Tracy H.,

  Sometimes it's not only the other kids that can be insensitive and inappropriate.  

   I hope you still feel good about yourself and are happy being you. 

Johndoe, 

  "So, at least in a small sector of society, we are accepted for what we are, men with boobs. It's a start."

I like it when someone refers to our breast development to as just that.  They are boobs.  I feel when someone refers to them on me as moobs it is a bit demeaning.  Thinking I can just change with diet and pushups.   I am a man with breast.  Boobs.  And I'm okay.

[WPW717]

Moobs do not get multiple repeat mammograms, breasts do.

Just ask anyone with breasts in the D+ category 

[taxmapper]

With my mammogram, as I said before, the doctor was very polite and very informative. 

He was also typical male. 
VERY dismissive.   

The biggest problem is getting over the issue of the binary template. not that I dot agree with a spectrum like concept, it works to a degree. But men with developed breast are subject to the same issues as women, especially with glandular growth!   the fat deposits are one thing, but glandular means real honset to God breasts.  They need to be looked at, worked at and treated the same! 

[Johndoe1]

Every time I have had to deal with a male doctor about my breasts, I get that. When a female doctor is involved, it's completely different and I am treated the same way women are treated. Compassion and understanding. There's something about when you have your own, you look at things differently. I can completely understand how women feel like being treated as chattel by men. When it comes to my chest, I have been treated like that too.

[Justagirl💃]

Every time I have had to deal with a male doctor about my breasts, I get that. When a female doctor is involved, it's completely different and I am treated the same way women are treated. Compassion and understanding. There's something about when you have your own, you look at things differently. I can completely understand how women feel like being treated as chattel by men. When it comes to my chest, I have been treated like that too.

Yeah, upon occasion I get the PA and she treats me a lot better than my male doctor. 

My male doctor treats me like I"m a freak show never mentioning my breasts out loud and only talks about treating my gender dysphoria instead. 

[WPW717]

Lucky you, your caregivers at least examine you somewhat. Mine NEVER have asked to even examine any part of me in last 8-10 years. The only exception was a fill in NP who did do an appropriate exam 4 years ago. That was when I was progressing from a C up to present volume. Even though she knew I was an advanced RN practitioner she made sure I knew how to perform a BSE. One actually wrote a very detailed S1to S4 auscultory evaluation of my heart all from a 6 second exam through 3 layers of flannel. I never went back to him. 

[taxmapper]

I still have issues with the Endo before I even had the mammogram telling me about "breast reduction medicine" and possible mastectomy..   


uhhhhhhhhhh



no. 

[WPW717]

Tax…
Gotcha, I also said no thanks to the offer of more chemical swill. 

Mastectomies ,? Nope, The risk is too high for cosmetic outcome and Medicare won’t cover elective plastic surgery and that’s how they classify this anyway.

I am liking the way I feel now:
     Testosterone at near zero
     Estrogen closing in on 32-35
     Thyroid(  low dose) has put me in a very good space mentally and physically.

It sounds like the spironolactone has done the same for you.
Stay positive my friend 

[Justagirl💃]

My dietitian today gave me the strict lecture about phytoestrogen rich food like soy and flax seed. She said with my medical condition it's the LAST thing I need. 
I was instructed to stop consumption immediately. 

Her orders went in one ear and out the other.  

[taxmapper]

The primary concern has been unfermented soy that has the high concentration. Fermented soy like Tofu Miso and soy sauce all are fermented and causes a breakdown of the estrogens. But yes, it takes alot.  Like killing yourself with tofu alot. 

but here is where it gets interesting.  The various other ingredients including various isoflavones:

What do isoflavones actually do?

• Bind to estrogen receptors:
   Isoflavones (especially genistein and daidzein) can attach to estrogen receptors (ER-α and ER-β). They prefer ER-β, which is more common in things like bone, blood vessels, and the brain—so they're a gentler estrogenic influence.
• Modulate hormonal activity:
   Depending on your hormone levels, isoflavones can act like weak estrogen when your levels are low (like post-menopause or during T-block), and block stronger estrogen when your levels are high. Think of them as hormonal seat-fillers—not Oscar winners, but they show up and keep the system running.
• Anti-androgenic effects (in theory):
   There’s some evidence that isoflavones may mildly reduce DHT (a potent androgen), which could influence things like hair loss or body hair patterns—but not in dramatic, hormone-therapy-like ways.
• Metabolic and cardiovascular effects:
   Isoflavones have been shown to improve lipid profiles, lower LDL, and reduce inflammation in some studies. Basically: they’re nice to your heart.
• Effect on breast tissue:
   Very mild estrogenic activity, which might make them supportive during transition—but again, we’re talking whisper-level effects compared to prescription estrogens.

Translation, unless you are graphically and urgently allergic to it.. meh. 

What has to happen is the REDUCTION of testosterone and OTHER androgens to make this happen. That requires a rewire in whatever means to cause the penal and pituitary glands to change recipes. 

The initial physical effect will cause a good amount of variation, with the breasts being the only exception; reversable. 

For the full effect the two glands need to work in the girl mode and cause a general feedback loop that says.. all girl, all good.  As long as the boy parts are present, the T will try to dominate. 

[taxmapper]

So this am, i was standing at the mirror and pulled the nasty persistent lunch lady fat directly under the underarm and above the breast. When I did that, 


BOOM!!! 


Round FEMALE BREASTS!!!   

Not Moobs, man boobs B breasts,, nope.  REAL honest to God ROUND female breasts!   

Talk about a revelation!   And wow what a confirmation and ego booster!  

[Justagirl💃]

So this am, i was standing at the mirror and pulled the nasty persistent lunch lady fat directly under the underarm and above the breast. When I did that,


BOOM!!!


Round FEMALE BREASTS!!! 

Not Moobs, man boobs B breasts,, nope.  REAL honest to God ROUND female breasts! 

Talk about a revelation!  And wow what a confirmation and ego booster! 

We all have them side rolls (unless you are perfect weight).

[WPW717]

DwB 
TNX for the well wishes. Tax is spot on.
I have read so much my brain is sore.

The ‘ sensitivity ‘ issue is real, the medical community is not in tune with it. Requires too much thinking to get to understanding. They work as if it’s a recipe book to make a diagnosis. So the solution to what they see is a recipe also. They miss a lot.The T became ‘ obsolete in me with this MEN Syndrome, the normal ratio is 30-50:1 for a male. Aside from the pituitary, and thyroid issues it causes it shut down the testosterone production so that the ratio of T to E flipped to 6:1 with E dominant. Instant gynecomastia. Normal chest to 44D in less than a year. As the syndrome advanced the testes developed lesions and necessitated a bilateral orchiectomy. The normal effect of this is that the adrenals pick up some slack, only I lost one years ago and the other is poly cystic. All an enhancement of gyne. Took a bit of time for me to figure it out, not the docs. They were living in silos.
 
Your attention to the nuances of all the factors of medication and dietary and supplements is commendable and noteworthy. Add in an individual’s sensitivity and the diagnostic institutions go off the rails.

It creates frustration in many forum members to find the true cause of their situation and what path forward for them is best.
Wish them all the best in their journeys.

[Justagirl💃]

"It creates frustration in many forum members to find the true cause of their situation and what path forward for them is best."

Coupled with your care plan team not liking your decision on the "correct path" and fighting you tooth and nail all the way.