I love having boobs!

[Dudewithboobs]

It’s nice when professionals can take the time to treat you right rather than just get you in and get you out. 

My caregivers examine me I believe because on my why I’m here form in the experiencing issues column. Among other things for the urologist, gynecomastia was checked. So if it weren’t for that I don’t think he would care much. But given the initial exam he confirmed I had more than what a standard patient has in my height weight range he examines things to make sure nothing abnormal is there. 

If it wasn’t for my original GP noting in my records 2019 before he retired and sent to my NP for records, stating onset of gynecomastia. I don’t think she’d care either. But since it was noted, and I’d gone in with hormonal concerns and tests showed imbalance and ultrasound showed progressing growth, is why she advises an exam. She has asked if it’s ok that she does one when I go in and has showed me how to. I say it’s embarrassing but to be safe I’d like her to as well as self to ensure I haven’t missed anything. So she does cause it’s been noted. 

I wouldn’t say it’s lucky overall. It’s quite embarrassing to have a NP who’s fairly attractive and a few years older than self, conduct a breast exam and at the end tell you “from what I can tell your breasts are in great health” sigh of relief sure but as much as I love my boobs and view them as a blessing than a curse it’s still odd to have a woman comment on them. 

I get irritated when my urologist calls it chest tissue and a little embarrassed when my np calls them breasts it’s a catch 22 for me in the physician world of it lol. 

[taxmapper]

I still have issues with the Endo before I even had the mammogram telling me about "breast reduction medicine" and possible mastectomy..   


uhhhhhhhhhh



no. 

[WPW717]

Tax…
Gotcha, I also said no thanks to the offer of more chemical swill. 

Mastectomies ,? Nope, The risk is too high for cosmetic outcome and Medicare won’t cover elective plastic surgery and that’s how they classify this anyway.

I am liking the way I feel now:
     Testosterone at near zero
     Estrogen closing in on 32-35
     Thyroid(  low dose) has put me in a very good space mentally and physically.

It sounds like the spironolactone has done the same for you.
Stay positive my friend 

[Dudewithboobs]

Doctors are quick to recommend chemical intervention or surgical mitigation. I feel many probably find it difficult to believe a man would really come to appreciate his breasts rather than look for immediate removal. 

My NP after my labs came back with hypogonadism didn’t even go further just immediately asked if I wanted to start T I understood why but felt it was a rush to just go in that route. When labs didn’t get better she recommended T Gel and urologist recommended an inhibitor. I refused all options and focused on natural options. 

Medical staff I think just assume cause of who we are we want to best option to get away from what the common man would call a curse given to him. 

WPW and Tax hope health and all is good and whatever the causes for T to be obsolete and other things hope all is well.  

[Justagirl💃]

My dietitian today gave me the strict lecture about phytoestrogen rich food like soy and flax seed. She said with my medical condition it's the LAST thing I need. 
I was instructed to stop consumption immediately. 

Her orders went in one ear and out the other.  

[Dudewithboobs]

Flax seed is tremendously studied in proving to promote breast cell health and soy while high in phytoestrogen you’d need to consume an insane amount to do any long term concern to hormone levels. Unless severely sensitive. It’s like eating a poppy seed bagel and expecting to test positive for cocaine. 

I’m sorry you gotta deal with such idiots on the daily 

[taxmapper]

The primary concern has been unfermented soy that has the high concentration. Fermented soy like Tofu Miso and soy sauce all are fermented and causes a breakdown of the estrogens. But yes, it takes alot.  Like killing yourself with tofu alot. 

but here is where it gets interesting.  The various other ingredients including various isoflavones:

What do isoflavones actually do?

• Bind to estrogen receptors:
   Isoflavones (especially genistein and daidzein) can attach to estrogen receptors (ER-α and ER-β). They prefer ER-β, which is more common in things like bone, blood vessels, and the brain—so they're a gentler estrogenic influence.
• Modulate hormonal activity:
   Depending on your hormone levels, isoflavones can act like weak estrogen when your levels are low (like post-menopause or during T-block), and block stronger estrogen when your levels are high. Think of them as hormonal seat-fillers—not Oscar winners, but they show up and keep the system running.
• Anti-androgenic effects (in theory):
   There’s some evidence that isoflavones may mildly reduce DHT (a potent androgen), which could influence things like hair loss or body hair patterns—but not in dramatic, hormone-therapy-like ways.
• Metabolic and cardiovascular effects:
   Isoflavones have been shown to improve lipid profiles, lower LDL, and reduce inflammation in some studies. Basically: they’re nice to your heart.
• Effect on breast tissue:
   Very mild estrogenic activity, which might make them supportive during transition—but again, we’re talking whisper-level effects compared to prescription estrogens.

Translation, unless you are graphically and urgently allergic to it.. meh. 

What has to happen is the REDUCTION of testosterone and OTHER androgens to make this happen. That requires a rewire in whatever means to cause the penal and pituitary glands to change recipes. 

The initial physical effect will cause a good amount of variation, with the breasts being the only exception; reversable. 

For the full effect the two glands need to work in the girl mode and cause a general feedback loop that says.. all girl, all good.  As long as the boy parts are present, the T will try to dominate. 

[Dudewithboobs]

Interesting. I really should do more learning on these things. I feel I got a fairly good understanding how foods herbs and such work but not a clue on the actual mechanics overall. Thanks for breaking things down. I feel some people here could easily be chemists or biology professors lol.

I am cautious about what I take and such now days. Last year was a roller coaster with red reishi for inflammation that destroyed my testosterone. Wife loves dr teals lavender lotion for sleep relaxing moisturizer. I used some to sleep better and it worked but shortly in to using I noticed issues hormonally. And learned lavender oil can be an endocrine disruptor. I took blood pressure medication for a short time and had hormone problems. So I quit which is when I got largely in to fitness to holistically mitigate things. I feel I’m hyper sensitive to things when it comes to what can shift in the endocrine system

[taxmapper]

So this am, i was standing at the mirror and pulled the nasty persistent lunch lady fat directly under the underarm and above the breast. When I did that, 


BOOM!!! 


Round FEMALE BREASTS!!!   

Not Moobs, man boobs B breasts,, nope.  REAL honest to God ROUND female breasts!   

Talk about a revelation!   And wow what a confirmation and ego booster!  

[Justagirl💃]

So this am, i was standing at the mirror and pulled the nasty persistent lunch lady fat directly under the underarm and above the breast. When I did that,


BOOM!!!


Round FEMALE BREASTS!!! 

Not Moobs, man boobs B breasts,, nope.  REAL honest to God ROUND female breasts! 

Talk about a revelation!  And wow what a confirmation and ego booster! 

We all have them side rolls (unless you are perfect weight).

[WPW717]

DwB 
TNX for the well wishes. Tax is spot on.
I have read so much my brain is sore.

The ‘ sensitivity ‘ issue is real, the medical community is not in tune with it. Requires too much thinking to get to understanding. They work as if it’s a recipe book to make a diagnosis. So the solution to what they see is a recipe also. They miss a lot.The T became ‘ obsolete in me with this MEN Syndrome, the normal ratio is 30-50:1 for a male. Aside from the pituitary, and thyroid issues it causes it shut down the testosterone production so that the ratio of T to E flipped to 6:1 with E dominant. Instant gynecomastia. Normal chest to 44D in less than a year. As the syndrome advanced the testes developed lesions and necessitated a bilateral orchiectomy. The normal effect of this is that the adrenals pick up some slack, only I lost one years ago and the other is poly cystic. All an enhancement of gyne. Took a bit of time for me to figure it out, not the docs. They were living in silos.
 
Your attention to the nuances of all the factors of medication and dietary and supplements is commendable and noteworthy. Add in an individual’s sensitivity and the diagnostic institutions go off the rails.

It creates frustration in many forum members to find the true cause of their situation and what path forward for them is best.
Wish them all the best in their journeys.

[Justagirl💃]

"It creates frustration in many forum members to find the true cause of their situation and what path forward for them is best."

Coupled with your care plan team not liking your decision on the "correct path" and fighting you tooth and nail all the way. 

[Dudewithboobs]

WP: geez that sounds like an effing roller coaster of a year. Had to do the same when I read Hypogonadism on mine as I read MEN syndrome here and looked it up like that’s a funny name it can’t be real lol. Sure enough, wow. Idk what treatment if any beyond orchiectomy took place but hope everything is going well. And agree, doctors tend to live in their own world and textbooks and treat things by the book rather than by the patient. And it’s no wonder why the motto is “be your own advocate” and “talk to a pharmacist before a doctor” 

[WPW717]

DwB
It took parathyroid surgery, adrenalectomy, prostatectomy and some chemotherapy in addition to the aforementioned surgery . Plus a bunch of invasive diagnostic procedures 

All is going well now, life’s good. Enjoying every moment and preparing to move to Tennessee.

[Parity]

DwB
It took parathyroid surgery, adrenalectomy, prostatectomy and some chemotherapy in addition to the aforementioned surgery . Plus a bunch of invasive diagnostic procedures

All is going well now, life’s good. Enjoying every moment and preparing to move to Tennessee.

  I have said it before and will again.  Getting old isn't for the young.  

  I hope the move goes well and you find the peace your looking for.